Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I wish that is the case, but sadly I think this mandatory vaccination thing will ramp their support up again.

It would be better to just tell the unvaccinated that, in the event they catch it, they’ll be treated in a strict order after everyone else.
Yeah, a life jacket for AfD and Pegida folk this...
 

Results The mean viral trajectories of alpha and delta infections resembled those of non-VOI/VOC infections. Vaccine breakthrough infections exhibited similar proliferation dynamics as infections in unvaccinated individuals (mean peak Ct: 20.5, 95% credible interval [19.0, 21.0] vs. 20.7 [19.8, 20.2], and mean proliferation time 3.2 days [2.5, 4.0] vs. 3.5 days [3.0, 4.0]); however, vaccinated individuals exhibited faster clearance (mean clearance time: 5.5 days [4.6, 6.6] vs. 7.5 days [6.8, 8.2]).

Conclusions Alpha, delta, and non-VOI/VOC infections feature similar viral trajectories. Acute infections in vaccinated and unvaccinated people feature similar proliferation and peak Ct, but vaccinated individuals cleared the infection more quickly. Viral concentrations do not fully explain the differences in infectiousness between SARS-CoV-2 variants, and mitigation measures are needed to limit transmission from vaccinated individuals.
 
The WHO haven't actually said that though have they?

From what I have read it seems to spread more but the vaccine is still providing a decent level of protection with the vast majority in hospital unvaccinated.

Hard to tell at this stage how badly it will impact the UK as we have an old population but much higher vaccination figures.

I don't know mate I just shared that tweet. Like i said, I hate the account, don't follow it, it just got rt'd onto my timeline
 
Agree, there are lots of variables that impact and not all down to mask mandates although do think theynhave a moderate effect on transmission.

What still surprises me is the lack of public/office/retail focus on ventilation and filtration this many months after we knew that Covid is air-airborne - at least as an individual I can walk into the local Target with a mask and do my bit to reduce transmission but it isn’t practical to shop with a portable HEPA filter machine trailing in my wake.
In principle, mandates should have an impact. However, proving that they're causal would require controlling for alternative explanations, and I think that's hard with this dataset. If we had counts on the confounds such as remote work and kids' school situations, I'd be inclined to buy the argument. As it stands, I think the health director's conclusion is highly questionable based on what's being reported.

I know of some large companies that went out of their way to put aggressive ventilation and filtration systems into office spaces to get people back into the office, but they're in the minority. I don't know that the Target problem is something we can get some traction on.


Interesting thesis. I don't think the racial polemic helps. "This investment will save the United States government money in the end, as well as save lives" is about as strong as social justice arguments get.

To be honest, I would go so far as to say that I think that the polemic undermines the argument for the intended audience. Electoral realities are that an administration that chose to spend that money in that way without an overriding reason would find itself defending the policy against those who would (rightfully) argue that the United States isn't doing enough with policy and taxpayer revenue to improve its own citizens' health outcomes in the first place.

I wouldn't walk into the boardroom of a company with a spotty racial history with an idea like this and castigate them for their past treatment of minorities, and I doubt the author would either. I'd just tell them that doing the right thing is a good investment, and prove it. Dragging them through the mud just improves the odds that they'll tune out the rest of the argument. This is not a good use of the bully pulpit for this issue, and IMO undermines legitimate arguments such as the notion that FHA redlining and our property tax system have led to lasting wealth and infrastructure inequities.
 
Agree, there are lots of variables that impact and not all down to mask mandates although do think theynhave a moderate effect on transmission.

What still surprises me is the lack of public/office/retail focus on ventilation and filtration this many months after we knew that Covid is air-airborne - at least as an individual I can walk into the local Target with a mask and do my bit to reduce transmission but it isn’t practical to shop with a portable HEPA filter machine trailing in my wake.
In principle, mandates should have an impact. However, proving that they're causal would require controlling for alternative explanations, and I think that's hard with this dataset. If we had counts on the confounds such as remote work and kids' school situations, I'd be inclined to buy the argument. As it stands, I think the health director's conclusion is highly questionable based on what's being reported.

I know of some large companies that went out of their way to put aggressive ventilation and filtration systems into office spaces to get people back into the office, but they're in the minority. I don't know that the Target problem is something we can get some traction on.


Interesting thesis. I don't think the racial polemic helps. "This investment will save the United States government money in the end, as well as save lives" is about as strong as social justice arguments get.

To be honest, I would go so far as to say that I think that the polemic undermines the argument for the intended audience. Electoral realities are that an administration that chose to spend that money in that way without an overriding reason would find itself defending the policy against those who would (rightfully) argue that the United States isn't doing enough with policy and taxpayer revenue to improve its own citizens' health outcomes in the first place.

I wouldn't walk into the boardroom of a company with a spotty racial history with an idea like this and castigate them for their past treatment of minorities, and I doubt the author would either. I'd just tell them that doing the right thing is a good investment, and prove it. Dragging them through the mud just improves the odds that they'll tune out the rest of the argument. This is not a good use of the bully pulpit for this issue, and IMO undermines legitimate arguments such as the notion that FHA redlining and our property tax system have led to lasting wealth and infrastructure inequities.
 
Probably 90% of the nurses in my wife's team are BAME and the unvaccinated rate is extremely high.

I am not sure who falls under the BAME so apologies if I offend anyone.

I had that LBC radio on the other day and they mentioned that a lot of Pakistanis are against the vaccine, due to them getting tricked into giving DNA to the States. I cant remember exactly what got said. Basically the States offered some kind of vaccine or something, but were checking to see if any of them were related to Bin Laden.

Absolute ignorance on my part but didnt polio do something to Africa too?


This is fascinating to read. My mother is a nurse, as are around half a dozen of my friends. I also have several old uni friends who have gone on to become Doctors - each and every single one of them is vaccinated as far up to date as possible, and strongly advocates for others to do the same. I've given blood twice in the last year - every member of staff I spoke to (five or six at each session) was fully vaccinated. I've been to the Dentist and the Hygienist a couple times too: all vaccinated.

I'm not suggesting for one second my anecdotal evidence (given the small sample size) is in any way of greater value than that of the research the Nursing Times has (presumably) done, but I find it interesting that my own experience of NHS staff is 100% vaccinated, 100% pro-vaccine, and none of them knew of a colleague who was anti.

I know of three, one is a midwife & locum GP (fully vac'd + booster) but the pharmacist I know isnt going near it. So there seems to be more getting jabbed.
 
It is still early, things could change with more information and we still don’t have good data on severity of the resultant infections but this isn’t really what anyone would have wanted.

This is more or less what I would expect with a coronavirus. Mutations are rapid enough that re-infections will be a thing.

The $64,000 question on the table right now is when/whether a variant will start defeating existing vaccines, and to what degree. If we're talking 30 days to have good data and another 100 days (according to Pfizer and Moderna) to rush an answer into mass production, and if if it turns out that variants can both end-run the vaccines and cause severe infection, we're going to have some significant windows where extreme precautions are necessary. That's a lot of ifs, though.
 
This is more or less what I would expect with a coronavirus. Mutations are rapid enough that re-infections will be a thing.

The $64,000 question on the table right now is when/whether a variant will start defeating existing vaccines, and to what degree. If we're talking 30 days to have good data and another 100 days (according to Pfizer and Moderna) to rush an answer into mass production, and if if it turns out that variants can both end-run the vaccines and cause severe infection, we're going to have some significant windows where extreme precautions are necessary. That's a lot of ifs, though.
And if that happens, it will happen regularly forever.

Is this new technology the only answer to this? Does it HAVE to be Pfizer and Moderna every few months? Will we ever find out or does having the most money make all the difference?
 
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