Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[efcfanwirral]

Interested to hear whether many people have made changes due to the new variant? Is anyone avoiding bars/restaurants?

I've heard from family about a few businesses cancelling Christmas parties, the logic seems to be along the lines of we can't risk large amount of staff members being ill at once.

Opposite- doing all we can as we can see what's coming. Xmas markets tomorrow, gig Monday. Will see where we are in a week then

 

[LinekersLegs]

I tell you what. NHS staff are no angels.
A quote from somebody I work with. I don't want to take the vaccine, but I want my life back, go to the pub, Take my kids to the cinema, go on a family holiday. I don't want that in me, but if I have to, to get my life back, then I will get it.

We are talking about one of the world's largest employers. There is no way everyone has the same view on vaccination. If you just look at the scale of the organisation and jobs involved. There are a ton of people who never see a patient. Admin, maintenance, managers, etc. Then you have your old timers who are set in their ways.

It will be interesting come March. 1 month away from the deadline, to see how many staff we stand to lose. I wouldn't be surprised if talk of a big payrise gets leaked around then. Just to make people think.

Locally when the CA vaccine healthcare mandate was implemented part time admin apparently made up the bulk of the 1% who decided to be sacked rather than be vaccinated. Although we’ve had other vaccine mandates for clinical employment for a long time and overall the staff was 90% vaccinated even before mandate so a bit different starting position to the NHS.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Informative thread

 

[woomy]

Just on Sky News ....Germany will make vaccines mandatory in February - Merkel

Have they actually formally decided on that?
I know I read this morning that they were going to stop unvaccinated people going anywhere or doing anything. Pubs, cinema. Xmas markets etc were mentiond. So maybe it is gonna be a backdoor thing. No vaccine, no social life.

 

[LinekersLegs]

There are a number of variables that impact infection and death rates, the health director wrote in a Nov. 3 email. But the effectiveness of masks is clear, he wrote. "I think we can say with great confidence reviewing the public health literature and then looking at the results in your study that communities where masks were required had a lower positivity rate per 100,000 and experienced lower death rates,” Kauerauf wrote

 

[LinekersLegs]

Good news that the measured over 70 rates are still low in the UK

 

[4737carlin]

Germany have this right as far as leisure venues

COVID-19: Mandatory jabs considered in Germany from February as tougher restrictions brought in for unvaccinated

Chancellor Angela Merkel says she is "depressed" by the strength of the fourth wave of infections in the country and was hoping a voluntary approach to immunisation would be more effective.

news.sky.com

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Runub]

Have they actually formally decided on that?
I know I read this morning that they were going to stop unvaccinated people going anywhere or doing anything. Pubs, cinema. Xmas markets etc were mentiond. So maybe it is gonna be a backdoor thing. No vaccine, no social life.

There is more detail now, just a headline earlier. Now it states that is the idea but needs to be considered by Parliament first

 

[jackyboy]

Looks like NYC is a goer thankfully. Biden expected to bring in the 24 hour fit to fly test next week

 

[Deleted member 48881]

In Manchester airport now, not messing I would say mask wearing is around 50% possibly below. Half the staff and police aren’t wearing them, bars and shops are packed.

No one is falling for this crap anymore.

how come even staff doesn't wear them though

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Germany have this right as far as leisure venues

COVID-19: Mandatory jabs considered in Germany from February as tougher restrictions brought in for unvaccinated

Chancellor Angela Merkel says she is "depressed" by the strength of the fourth wave of infections in the country and was hoping a voluntary approach to immunisation would be more effective.

news.sky.com

Interesting to see what they class as "non-essential" shops

I'm double vaxxed and will be taking my booster when offered it, but I'm not really on board with keeping the non-vaxxed out of shops to be honest, especially when you can put a Rizla paper between what is and isn't essential shopping sometimes

 

[Martin Alvito]

There are a number of variables that impact infection and death rates, the health director wrote in a Nov. 3 email. But the effectiveness of masks is clear, he wrote. "I think we can say with great confidence reviewing the public health literature and then looking at the results in your study that communities where masks were required had a lower positivity rate per 100,000 and experienced lower death rates,” Kauerauf wrote

I would question whether the result was caused by the mandate. St. Louis County skews that dataset hard. It could be that all we're seeing is the effects of St. Louis County being wealthy and highly-educated, and therefore able to work remotely and go out indoors in public rarely if at all, decreasing transmission rates.

The evidence suggests that masks work. I'm less sold on the notion that the mandates and enforcement regimes produced that much of an impact. The closure of the gap once in-person school started back up also suggests that the masks were not as effective as claimed (though still better than nothing).

 

[LinekersLegs]

I would question whether the result was caused by the mandate. St. Louis County skews that dataset hard. It could be that all we're seeing is the effects of St. Louis County being wealthy and highly-educated, and therefore able to work remotely and go out indoors in public rarely if at all, decreasing transmission rates.

The evidence suggests that masks work. I'm less sold on the notion that the mandates and enforcement regimes produced that much of an impact. The closure of the gap once in-person school started back up also suggests that the masks were not as effective as claimed (though still better than nothing).

Agree, there are lots of variables that impact and not all down to mask mandates although do think theynhave a moderate effect on transmission.

What still surprises me is the lack of public/office/retail focus on ventilation and filtration this many months after we knew that Covid is air-airborne - at least as an individual I can walk into the local Target with a mask and do my bit to reduce transmission but it isn’t practical to shop with a portable HEPA filter machine trailing in my wake.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Looks like NYC is a goer thankfully. Biden expected to bring in the 24 hour fit to fly test next week

Hope you have a wonderful time!

PS I presume you know about “Key to NYC” but just in case

COVID-19: Vaccine Key to NYC - NYC Health

www1.nyc.gov