I think that Catfish is talking about how many of the UK population will die. Not how many will contract COVID-19.
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Fwiw the CDC seems to be saying it is routine here in US
Vaccines for Pneumococcal | CDC
The Pneumococcal vaccine can protect agains pneumococcal disease, which is any type of infection caused by Streptococcus pneumoniae bacteria. There are two kinds of pneumococcal vaccines available in the US: Pneumococcal conjugate and Pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccines.
www.cdc.gov
Toast
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I've got a box of dust face masks !
Don't tell me people are using them ?
Not believing China has resulted in inaction in the west.
"Most of the 41 people described in this first report, published in the Lancet, presented with non-specific symptoms of fever and cough. More than half had difficulties in breathing. But most worryingly of all, a third of these patients had such a severe illness that they had to be admitted to an intensive care unit. Most developed a critical complication of their viral pneumonia – acute respiratory distress syndrome. Half died.
The Chinese scientists pulled no punches. “The number of deaths is rising quickly,” they wrote. The provision of personal protective equipment for health workers was strongly recommended. Testing for the virus should be done immediately a diagnosis was suspected. They concluded that the mortality rate was high. And they urged careful surveillance of this new virus in view of its “pandemic potential”.
That was in January. Why did it take the UK government eight weeks to recognise the seriousness of what we now call Covid-19?
In 2003, Chinese officials were heavily criticised for keeping the dangers of a new viral disease, severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars), secret. By 2020, a new generation of Chinese scientists had learned their lesson. Under immense pressure, as the epidemic exploded around them, they took time to write up their findings in a foreign language and seek publication in a medical journal thousands of miles away. Their rapid and rigorous work was an urgent warning to the world. We owe those scientists enormous thanks.
But medical and scientific advisers to the UK government ignored their warnings. For unknown reasons they waited. And watched.
The scientists advising ministers seemed to believe that this new virus could be treated much like influenza. Graham Medley, one of the government’s expert scientific advisers, was disarmingly explicit. In an interview on Newsnight last week, he explained the UK’s approach: to allow a controlled epidemic of large numbers of people, which would generate “herd immunity”. Our scientists recommended “a situation where the majority of the population are immune to the infection. And the only way of developing that, in the absence of a vaccine, is for the majority of the population to become infected.”
Medley suggested that, “ideally”, we might need “a nice big epidemic” among the less vulnerable. “What we are going to have to try and do,” he said, was to “manage this acquisition of herd immunity and minimise the exposure of people who are vulnerable.” Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, suggested that the target was to infect 60% of the UK’s population".
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In 2002/2003 Asian countries fought the SARS epidemic. In 2015 South Korea had a large outbreak caused by the MERS virus. Those countries have learned the lessons from the outbreaks and worked early on to keep the current curves flat. Why was no western country able to learn from them?
"Most of the 41 people described in this first report, published in the Lancet, presented with non-specific symptoms of fever and cough. More than half had difficulties in breathing. But most worryingly of all, a third of these patients had such a severe illness that they had to be admitted to an intensive care unit. Most developed a critical complication of their viral pneumonia – acute respiratory distress syndrome. Half died.
The Chinese scientists pulled no punches. “The number of deaths is rising quickly,” they wrote. The provision of personal protective equipment for health workers was strongly recommended. Testing for the virus should be done immediately a diagnosis was suspected. They concluded that the mortality rate was high. And they urged careful surveillance of this new virus in view of its “pandemic potential”.
That was in January. Why did it take the UK government eight weeks to recognise the seriousness of what we now call Covid-19?
In 2003, Chinese officials were heavily criticised for keeping the dangers of a new viral disease, severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars), secret. By 2020, a new generation of Chinese scientists had learned their lesson. Under immense pressure, as the epidemic exploded around them, they took time to write up their findings in a foreign language and seek publication in a medical journal thousands of miles away. Their rapid and rigorous work was an urgent warning to the world. We owe those scientists enormous thanks.
But medical and scientific advisers to the UK government ignored their warnings. For unknown reasons they waited. And watched.
The scientists advising ministers seemed to believe that this new virus could be treated much like influenza. Graham Medley, one of the government’s expert scientific advisers, was disarmingly explicit. In an interview on Newsnight last week, he explained the UK’s approach: to allow a controlled epidemic of large numbers of people, which would generate “herd immunity”. Our scientists recommended “a situation where the majority of the population are immune to the infection. And the only way of developing that, in the absence of a vaccine, is for the majority of the population to become infected.”
Medley suggested that, “ideally”, we might need “a nice big epidemic” among the less vulnerable. “What we are going to have to try and do,” he said, was to “manage this acquisition of herd immunity and minimise the exposure of people who are vulnerable.” Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, suggested that the target was to infect 60% of the UK’s population".
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In 2002/2003 Asian countries fought the SARS epidemic. In 2015 South Korea had a large outbreak caused by the MERS virus. Those countries have learned the lessons from the outbreaks and worked early on to keep the current curves flat. Why was no western country able to learn from them?
It was never too early to have a lockdown of an island like the UK and Ireland. But the planes and ferries were allowed to keep coming in and no checks on passengers. Italy and Spain were forced to lockdown their cites and regions that were the epicentres and they said they should have done this earlier. We are told the UK is 'two weeks behind' which means the UK has/had a chance to contain this virus, but refuses. London is the epicentre and therefore should be on lockdown. But the government dithers and doesn't know what to do as the virus spreads and has fatal consequences. When a government can't protect its people it is not longer a legitimate government.
Okay... but surely it's still a better way of adding some extra protection to this group which we're so desperate to protect that they've shut down countries for (and I know, they're trying to protect the populations on a whole but 80% of people who get this basically get ill for three days and then are fine)?
It's not going to stop them getting coronavirus or even help them if they do (cause the respiratory bit is clearly the worry). But if they have that extra bit of protection in the system then it can't hurt, can it?
It's better than nothing, surely?
It is?
Pneumococcal vaccine
NHS information about the pneumococcal vaccine, including what the vaccine helps protect against, who should have it, how to get it and side effects.
www.nhs.uk
Catfish Blues
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Honest answer ?
I don't know.
But I do know there are 91 teams in the English Leagues, with perhaps an average squad size of 22, so that'd give roughly 2000 players.
I'm struggling to believe 200 of them have been reported.
Even if you restrict it to higher profile clubs in the top two flights, who are more likely to be privately tested, that'd be 44 clubs, so about 1000 players. So you'd need to be able to come up with 100 positive tests to give 10%.
Sorry mate, but it just isn't adding up.
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The vaccine is routine?
It is?
Pneumococcal vaccine
NHS information about the pneumococcal vaccine, including what the vaccine helps protect against, who should have it, how to get it and side effects.
Excellent, I withdraw objections then. I had no knowledge of that vaccine.
Not believing China has resulted in inaction in the west.
"Most of the 41 people described in this first report, published in the Lancet, presented with non-specific symptoms of fever and cough. More than half had difficulties in breathing. But most worryingly of all, a third of these patients had such a severe illness that they had to be admitted to an intensive care unit. Most developed a critical complication of their viral pneumonia – acute respiratory distress syndrome. Half died.
The Chinese scientists pulled no punches. “The number of deaths is rising quickly,” they wrote. The provision of personal protective equipment for health workers was strongly recommended. Testing for the virus should be done immediately a diagnosis was suspected. They concluded that the mortality rate was high. And they urged careful surveillance of this new virus in view of its “pandemic potential”.
That was in January. Why did it take the UK government eight weeks to recognise the seriousness of what we now call Covid-19?
In 2003, Chinese officials were heavily criticised for keeping the dangers of a new viral disease, severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars), secret. By 2020, a new generation of Chinese scientists had learned their lesson. Under immense pressure, as the epidemic exploded around them, they took time to write up their findings in a foreign language and seek publication in a medical journal thousands of miles away. Their rapid and rigorous work was an urgent warning to the world. We owe those scientists enormous thanks.
But medical and scientific advisers to the UK government ignored their warnings. For unknown reasons they waited. And watched.
The scientists advising ministers seemed to believe that this new virus could be treated much like influenza. Graham Medley, one of the government’s expert scientific advisers, was disarmingly explicit. In an interview on Newsnight last week, he explained the UK’s approach: to allow a controlled epidemic of large numbers of people, which would generate “herd immunity”. Our scientists recommended “a situation where the majority of the population are immune to the infection. And the only way of developing that, in the absence of a vaccine, is for the majority of the population to become infected.”
Medley suggested that, “ideally”, we might need “a nice big epidemic” among the less vulnerable. “What we are going to have to try and do,” he said, was to “manage this acquisition of herd immunity and minimise the exposure of people who are vulnerable.” Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, suggested that the target was to infect 60% of the UK’s population".
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In 2002/2003 Asian countries fought the SARS epidemic. In 2015 South Korea had a large outbreak caused by the MERS virus. Those countries have learned the lessons from the outbreaks and worked early on to keep the current curves flat. Why was no western country able to learn from them?
It was never too early to have a lockdown of an island like the UK and Ireland. But the planes and ferries were allowed to keep coming in and no checks on passengers. Italy and Spain were forced to lockdown their cites and regions that were the epicentres and they said they should have done this earlier. We are told the UK is 'two weeks behind' which means the UK has/had a chance to contain this virus, but refuses. London is the epicentre and therefore should be on lockdown. But the government dithers and doesn't know what to do as the virus spreads and has fatal consequences. When a government can't protect its people it is not longer a legitimate government.
Do agree here but I apply it to all governments in Europe.
However, on the whole 'believing China bit' – whereas I agree with the general point, I definitely don't but that a country of what, 2 billion, has less deaths than Italy.
No matter how stringent the lockdowns were, it spread just as quickly over there.
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Trojans everywhere expecting to find a horse on their doorstep come the morning.
Fair enough then.
Just seen the other link you posted.
So does that mean they could be rolling it out to other people in the vulnerable category too? Or, actually, anyone? Given severe pneumonia is probably more likely to kill a younger person than COVID-19 itself?
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Primark UK stores closing 'until further notice'
The fashion chain says it wants to protect the health of employees and customers.
www.bbc.co.uk
Catfish Blues
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No mate, I'm talking about what % of the UK population is likely to be infected right now.
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