Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tipp blue]

So Gibraltar have cancelled Christmas parties receptions and events as cases are rising despite them having 100% of their population vaccinated with also 14,000 who have had the booster jab! (So in theory they are around 120% vaccinated)

Masks are still required indoors and on public transport
Everyone double jabbed a high percentage with a booster
And yet Christmas parties and small gatherings are cancelled

They cant blame the unvaccinated here can they?
Why aren't the masks doing their job?
Why is the vaccine not reducing the transmittal?
Why has Christmas been cancelled?

Tipping points of health care, there's 1 hospital with 200 beds in giabraltar including maternity,surgical and pediatric.. 2 or 3 people needing intensive care could cause chaos.. the same in Ireland years and years of mismanagement have led to a situation where just under 200 people needing intensive care will cripple the entire system. @Neiler has said it already we'll be in full lockdown soon, even with over 90% of the eligible population vaccinated.

 

[peteblue]

Tipping points of health care, there's 1 hospital with 200 beds in giabraltar including maternity,surgical and pediatric.. 2 or 3 people needing intensive care could cause chaos.. the same in Ireland years and years of mismanagement have led to a situation where just under 200 people needing intensive care will cripple the entire system. @Neiler has said it already we'll be in full lockdown soon, even with over 90% of the eligible population vaccinated.

Gibraltar would be able to send ICU patients to the U.K. for treatment if they were overwhelmed...I would imagine the U.K. would offer to assist ROI if they reached breaking point….

 

[Amw79]

Ah, it looks like it’s time for the monthly ‘the figures are wrong cos you could have a positive test, then die in a bizarre gardening accident and it still gets counted’ posts.

Like clockwork.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Gibraltar would be able to send ICU patients to the U.K. for treatment if they were overwhelmed...I would imagine the U.K. would offer to assist ROI if they reached breaking point….

Not that feasible really though - US hospitals can and do transfer across state lines when overwhelmed but requires a lot of resources not least appropriately staffed/equipped aircraft.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Impact of Hospital Strain on Excess Deaths During the COVID-19 ...

This report describes excess deaths from hospital strain from ...

www.cdc.gov

What is already known about this topic?

COVID-19 surges have stressed hospital systems and negatively affected health care and public health infrastructures and national critical functions.

What is added by this report?

The conditions of hospital strain during July 2020–July 2021, which included the presence of SARS-CoV-2 B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant, predicted that intensive care unit bed use at 75% capacity is associated with an estimated additional 12,000 excess deaths 2 weeks later. As hospitals exceed 100% ICU bed capacity, 80,000 excess deaths would be expected 2 weeks later.

 

[roydo]

Tipping points of health care, there's 1 hospital with 200 beds in giabraltar including maternity,surgical and pediatric.. 2 or 3 people needing intensive care could cause chaos.. the same in Ireland years and years of mismanagement have led to a situation where just under 200 people needing intensive care will cripple the entire system. @Neiler has said it already we'll be in full lockdown soon, even with over 90% of the eligible population vaccinated.

A bit of ICU perspective. Cos the term can create an inaccurate impression. In an ICU, there will be high tech facilities for stuff like really dangerous infectious conditions, isolation units sort of thing. But most beds in any hospital can easily be made into the sort of beds a Covid sufferer would need in an ICU, if that makes sense. Its more the level of nursing care that is the difference between an ICU and "normal" ward.

 

[tsubaki]

How is India ‘not that different’ to the U.K. …asking for @Ghost Rider …..

Well, one similarity is that it has a dictatorial incompetent for a ruler, who is supported by fools who spend loads of time online excusing away all his many errors and corruptions.

 

[tsubaki]

Sorry what?

I don't think I've ever posted about track and trace or ever been negative?

As for countries being different , it would take far too long for me to explain how the English are completely different to any other part of the world that I would hope you could understand the difference enough to not need me to.

Again, please read the post you are quoting (which referred to “you lot”) before taking offence.

Also do you really think the English are so different to the rest of the world that this (mass vaccination) is the only path they’d accept? Or that they’d refuse to follow a path that several other countries (each of which is different to the other, let’s not forget) have shown works?

Finally, there are other countries on these islands rather than just the English you know.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Again, please read the post you are quoting (which referred to “you lot”) before taking offence.

Also do you really think the English are so different to the rest of the world that this (mass vaccination) is the only path they’d accept? Or that they’d refuse to follow a path that several other countries (each of which is different to the other, let’s not forget) have shown works?

Finally, there are other countries on these islands rather than just the English you know.

I would argue the Scots and Welsh are just as different as well, it blew my mind when I learned just how different the Irish were!

The post I quoted was you saying visitor figures etc are similar so we aren't that different. I was just adding to it that we aren't similar at all despite that, in regards to covid.

It applies to any country, austria going into lockdown has no relevance to us. Although I am sure people would still loosely connect them.

 

[tsubaki]

I would argue the Scots and Welsh are just as different as well, it blew my mind when I learned just how different the Irish were!

The post I quoted was you saying visitor figures etc are similar so we aren't that different. I was just adding to it that we aren't similar at all despite that, in regards to covid.

It applies to any country, austria going into lockdown has no relevance to us. Although I am sure people would still loosely connect them.

The post I was responding to then specifically said South Korea wasn’t a major trading hub or massive tourist destination compared to us.

In those terms, it’s not that different to us (it isn’t that different in other terms either, at least when looking at whether something they’ve done would work here).

 

[BlueToff]

Ah, it looks like it’s time for the monthly ‘the figures are wrong cos you could have a positive test, then die in a bizarre gardening accident and it still gets counted’ posts.

Like clockwork.

I mean, it does work like that to an extent. Not the extent you are going to, but there's no other way they can really count the figures so if someone dies with covid in their system, and they've died of an illness (not, for example, being shot or in a car crash or whatever) then yes they are counted. And yes it does skew the figures but no there isn't really a better way of doing it.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Amw79]

I mean, it does work like that to an extent. Not the extent you are going to, but there's no other way they can really count the figures so if someone dies with covid in their system, and they've died of an illness (not, for example, being shot or in a car crash or whatever) then yes they are counted. And yes it does skew the figures but no there isn't really a better way of doing it.

There is, and they do. ONS publish data on those who have died where doctor recorded Covid on the death certificate as the primary cause of death, and they also publish monthly excess death numbers in comparison to the 5 year average.

All 3 measures track pretty closely, with some variance, particularly at the outset where the recording was in its’ infancy, so the first wave excess deaths show much higher numbers than the recorded figures. After that, they track pretty well, well enough to have a decent level of confidence in the overall position and trends.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Very compelling data

 

[LinekersLegs]

Didn’t realise this was possible tbh