Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I don't think they have failed to be honest, if you compare Europe to the UK. The UK has had the most liberal measures. The UK surged during the summer, having 1000's on 1000's of cases competitively to the rest of Europe and pretty much has stayed at its peak. Europe is surging now, due to the seasonality of the virus, a surge always puts services under pressure, it did in the Uk and it is in Europe now, both have/will peak and will regress again over Christmas in my opinion. Do measures make a difference absolutely. One simple measure has the power if implemented correctly to reduce case numbers by a third. The UK case numbers could be cut drastically with some measures, but every country has different thresholds and priorites.

The UK measures results in consistent numbers and much lower peaks which in fairness was mentioned earlier in the year as the reasoning for opening up so much. Other nations are now experiencing significant peaks due to their open/close approaches.
 
Are you joking me here? The actual article itself basically clarifies that the new variant is less deadly than previous! The fact that isn’t mentioned in the tweet whatsoever means that yeah, it clearly is a tweet designed to alarm people.

The headline didn’t say it was more deadly either though - it just said it was more virulent (true) and that it was spreading in the UK (also true).

If you want a truly misleading headline, check out this:

 
The headline didn’t say it was more deadly either though - it just said it was more virulent (true) and that it was spreading in the UK (also true).

If you want a truly misleading headline, check out this:


No it didn’t say it was more deadly, that would’ve just been a lie, but it used terms like “more infectious” and “fastest spreading” so there was absolutely nothing stopping them from qualifying that with “but less deadly” to make sure they got all the scientific bullet points into the tweet. Why didn’t they do that? Obviously it wasn’t to try and scare people, right?
 
I think its two key figures mate where we are in the pandemic no of deaths and healthcare capacity.

The mental jump i think is the vaccines are a large % of the answer not the full one - the messaging around the vaccines being the answer in the UK politically hasn't helped and understandably people are upset and resistant to measures because of that. Doesn't change the infection context though,

I think we need to accept that Covid will be feature of the landscape come winter every year, like flu, flu season doesn't concern the majority of population, but ic an tell you in health care we dread it every year. Seems sensible to me that every winter we can be prepared, masks, passes, social distance, boost the vulnerable etc and keep society going, for little inconvenience, that the thing i dont get on peoples aversion to restrictions, its not like they are being denied fundamental human rights, just being asked to put a mask on in the winter, to keep society and health services going.

It may well be like this every winter and that seems like a mental transition for people, ive been saying it since the summer that things would deteriorate in the winter - we all should have been more prepared really rather then scrambling.
I have no issue with measures like masks etc being in place.
Shutting things down or not allowing certain people to do things isn’t the answer and that should be the line.

UK/most of northern Europe are in ‘winter conditions’ for half of the year anyway.
 
The UK measures results in consistent numbers and much lower peaks which in fairness was mentioned earlier in the year as the reasoning for opening up so much. Other nations are now experiencing significant peaks due to their open/close approaches.

Its stayed consistently at a high peak comparatively though with its peers geographically since June, sure its not surging now, the way it is in Europe, but Europe is going from months of a low base to a higher one. The Uk surged in the summer and remained stubbornly there and there has been a seasonality impact in average daily rise of about 10 k give of take which is about 25% , Europe have been a lot lower for significantly longer period of time, that Uk norm seems to be the accepted norm by government and society. Personally i dont agree with the UKs approach to managing this i think cases have too high for too long and i think its been avoidable or more manageable with mitigation measures - i think they still are, the vaccines offer great protection against the rate of deaths to cases we saw last winter, but there still are deaths, chronic illness and secondary impact in health care to the ongoing pandemic. Just my opinion mind, no one is doing it perfectly, in fact id be critical of al countries including my own.
 
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I have no issue with measures like masks etc being in place.
Shutting things down or not allowing certain people to do things isn’t the answer and that should be the line.

UK/most of northern Europe are in ‘winter conditions’ for half of the year anyway.

I'm open minded on it mate, i think if you are going to implement measures it should be an approach of the least regressive backwards, assess the impact and go from there. Like many i see measures as enabling to keep society open and functioning.

I expect Xmas to a be a mess, i think governments should have a plan in place or ready to go now, just before and after to manage, rather then scramble in the early new year.
 
I'm open minded on it mate, i think if you are going to implement measures it should be an approach of the least regressive backwards, assess the impact and go from there. Like many i see measures as enabling to keep society open and functioning.

I expect Xmas to a be a mess, i think governments should have a plan in place or ready to go now, just before and after to manage, rather then scramble in the early new year.

Christmas is going to be difficult this time round, if they try to stop people seeing each other I can't see compliance being great.

If families are all fully vaccinated they'll probably think why shouldn't we see each other? Its hard to blame them.
 
Christmas is going to be difficult this time round, if they try to stop people seeing each other I can't see compliance being great.

If families are all fully vaccinated they'll probably think why shouldn't we see each other? Its hard to blame them.

I agree mate, you just aren't not going to have people socializing at Xmas from all over the country and the world, i think its well telegraphed, i think if we accept that and plan rather than scrambling over Xmas for one, lets have a plan ready to go - that would be the clever play. From a UK point of view doing something along the lines of "Plan B" now might help to minimize infections heading into that.
 
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Christmas is going to be difficult this time round, if they try to stop people seeing each other I can't see compliance being great.

If families are all fully vaccinated they'll probably think why shouldn't we see each other? Its hard to blame them.
Absolutley this - there will be little to no compliance should they try to restrict family gatherings, and who can blame anyone if fully vaccinated ( or even unvaccinated if they wish to see each other?!) I can see there being problems and compliance issues if they try and enforce hospitality restrictions over Christmas tbh, and again, I don't blame people for having had enough.

Two years of this complete omnishambles from this useless tory government - it isn't going away even after all the push with vaccinations. A half decent track and trace system would have been a start, but they criminally mismanaged that and the rest of it - the inquiry should be happening now and charges brought as soon as possible.

It's not just incompetence, it's criminal negligence on an unheard of scale.
 
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