Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

Great news today. My granddad, who is 82, has pancreatic cancer, but is double vaccinated (and was due his booster last week) caught COVID over the last weekend of October.

He was pretty out of it, but mainly fatigue - was in bed for two days last week. His wife (not my grandma, he re-married) didn't catch anything, also double jabbed.
However, he tested negative a few days ago and again yesterday and is feeling tons better. He's a bit tired, but other than that back to normal. He likes his gardening/greenhouse, but is going to take it easy on that for a few more days at least.

He's healthy as can be given the circumstances, but his cancer is there and has been for two years now, and he's no spring chicken, and he was fully vaccinated by March so it's been in his system (and waning) for some time.

It just shows how random COVID is but also that the vaccines do work. I was fearing that he'd end up in hospital at the very least but bless him he's come through fine - relatively speaking. He's obviously had to move his booster back.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Two things, then:

1) Worst title ever on the graph in question, out of context. That looks like it's presenting an age-based difference in immune response.
2) Is the UK far more restrictive on access to boosters than we are? The results for 18-39 still don't make sense unless that population is hardly eligible, relative to the 40-59 age range in particular. Ditto for the 60-69 age range versus 70+, unless they're restricting booster access to 70+. We should see a meaningful effect in that population if they're available at age 65.

In any event, @Tubey has my apology.

Currently only those 50 older, over 16 with a health condition or work in a frontline health position and jab over 6 months ago. Going to expand it to over 40s soon iirc and initially think it was only in the most senior

Combo of all that and the intial rollout going down groups means significant differences in % of eligbile who have had jabs.



But overall boosters are proving very effective across UK age cohorts as they were in Israel.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I hope the electorate remember these things at future elections because it'll be the vaccinated soon if you aint had the booster etc.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I hope the electorate remember these things at future elections because it'll be the vaccinated soon if you aint had the booster etc.

Greece health service is struggling

COVID cases spike in Greece, hospitals buckle

Greece is experiencing a fourth wave of COVID, Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis warned Tuesday as daily infections hit their highest since the pandemic began, with hospitals starting to buckle under the pressure of rising infections.

medicalxpress.com

I can understand you do not like this approach but what would be your alternate solution to the hospital overload? General lockdowns for everyone? Just let cases rise and the hospital situation get worse?

 

[MikeH72]

Greece health service is struggling

COVID cases spike in Greece, hospitals buckle

Greece is experiencing a fourth wave of COVID, Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis warned Tuesday as daily infections hit their highest since the pandemic began, with hospitals starting to buckle under the pressure of rising infections.

medicalxpress.com

I can understand you do not like this approach but what would be your alternate solution to the hospital overload? General lockdowns for everyone? Just let cases rise and the hospital situation get worse?

Maybe actually implement something useful like proof of negative test result before entering a public place? Seeing as fully vaccinated people can carry the virus and spread it to each other.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Maybe actually implement something useful like proof of negative test result before entering a public place? Seeing as fully vaccinated people can carry the virus and spread it to each other.

I’d be all for that personally although it is dependent on the level of testing resources available. They do seem to be doing it for hospitals thankfully


Vaccinated people can carry the virus and spread to others but their chances of being infected are still less than an unvaccinated person so requiring vaccinations for indoor will still be somewhat effective at reducing spread and the unvaccinated requiring hospital care assuming the rules are followed.

 

[MikeH72]

I’d be all for that personally although it is dependent on the level of testing resources available. They do seem to be doing it for hospitals thankfully


Vaccinated people can carry the virus and spread to others but their chances of being infected are still less than an unvaccinated person so requiring vaccinations for indoor will still be somewhat effective at reducing spread and the unvaccinated requiring hospital care assuming the rules are followed.

Well yeah, but a person that has tested negative for covid is 0% likely to spread it to anyone else. Under this rule you could actually have covid and just walk into a pub because you’ve flashed a vaccine passport at someone, what sense does that make?

 

[Tigger]

Does this include supermarkets? So you could be negative with proof and denied food?

 

[LinekersLegs]

Well yeah, but a person that has tested negative for covid is 0% likely to spread it to anyone else. Under this rule you could actually have covid and just walk into a pub because you’ve flashed a vaccine passport at someone, what sense does that make?

Because some elimination of infection is better than none wrt hospital capacity and they might not have the resources to do the testing that we both agree would reduce transmission further?

They are also presumably hoping this gets the number of people vaccinated higher than their current 60%.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Does this include supermarkets? So you could be negative with proof and denied food?

No idea tbh but doubt it that far reaching - presume it is just things like cinemas etc

@marnie will likely know though

 

[Wizard]

Does this include supermarkets? So you could be negative with proof and denied food?

It’s hasn’t the previous times it has been brought in. It’s just been for entertainment/hospitality venues

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Wizard]

Well yeah, but a person that has tested negative for covid is 0% likely to spread it to anyone else. Under this rule you could actually have covid and just walk into a pub because you’ve flashed a vaccine passport at someone, what sense does that make?

I have no issue with tested unvaxxed people being allowed entry but the difference is that vaxxed people are way less likely to get the virus. So if a vaxxed person is in a bar, only surrounded by other vaxxed people then the potential for spread is greatly reduced than if say 50% of the customers have tested negative but are unvaxxed.

When this is coupled with a country that has a relatively low vaxxed population and a health service under serious pressure it could make quite a difference.

 

[marnie]

No idea tbh but doubt it that far reaching - presume it is just things like cinemas etc

@marnie will likely know though

No not supermarkets or churches. You still have to take 2 pcr tests a week at your own cost though for them. It is basically nipping any social life for the unvaccinated in the bud.