Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Fair enough. I find that surprising, thought everywhere would just keep testing and testing.

I imagine there'd be uproar (on here from some but in the wider social media) if the UK stopped offering free tests altogether.

Do you have to be vaccinated/have a negative test result to do stuff in Germany? Maybe the logic is if people have to pay for testing, then they might be more inclined to get vaccinated for a covid pass or whatever?
Yeah I think that’s exactly it mate. It’s easy to get vaccinated so no need for them to keep paying for tests. Trying to get people jabbed i think. Lots of places don’t allow people in who are not jabbed or recovered.
 
Yeah I think that’s exactly it mate. It’s easy to get vaccinated so no need for them to keep paying for tests. Trying to get people jabbed i think. Lots of places don’t allow people in who are not jabbed or recovered.
Aye I see that logic, though then again that's also going to skew numbers - less people testing, less people testing positive! Suppose there's the balance to be struck. If you get symptoms, do you have to test?
 
Call me a cynic but, whilst they may be 'free' in one regard, they aren't actually free and will no doubt actually be paid for through taxation to the firms that make them via some Tory linked middle man getting rich along the way.
Well, yeah, but you know what I mean.

We're all, all over the world, going to be paying for this for the next few generations.
 
Aye I see that logic, though then again that's also going to skew numbers - less people testing, less people testing positive! Suppose there's the balance to be struck. If you get symptoms, do you have to test?
Yes you're supposed to. I'm sure there are lots that don't. Re the free tests, people were allowed 1 free test per week before so not sure how much that would skew but probably would. I'm not sure it will have the required outcome in Germany of getting more people jabbed, I think it will lead to more infections. But I can see why they're doing it. Vaccination rates are pretty abysmal here.
 
Hospital figures - 220 deaths were announced today, up 169 on yesterday and up 51 on last Tuesday. 185 deaths were in English hospitals, up 160 on yesterday and up 21 on last week. The 7 day rolling average rises to 124.57

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 263 deaths were announced today, up 225 on yesterday and up 40 on last Tuesday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 140.29

For the 60 day cut off, 296 deaths were announced today, up 254 on yesterday and up 34 on last Tuesday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 168.43
 

This is more a jumping off point in discussion rather than an absolute point either way.

Given that the vaccine is money to these companies, as seen by the publically funded one not giving their recipe out to help poorer countries, because it would lose them money.

And given the 18 months of evidence saying how young people are not affected by covid in the same way as adults, with any serious cases being barely anything in the data.

Is it possible that the push for vaccinating younger and younger is fueled more by money, more vaccines given out = more money made by said vaccine suppliers. The point the other way will be how it reduces spread which is also true, so there is the counter argument to it. In a world where money is king, where the UK has shown alone during the pandemic that money has trumped battling covid effectively with the billions of pounds spent needlesly to friends of the government.

Could it be at all possible they only want to vaccinate kids (given we are not far off covid medicine being available as well) simply to sell more vaccines to countries?
 
This is more a jumping off point in discussion rather than an absolute point either way.

Given that the vaccine is money to these companies, as seen by the publically funded one not giving their recipe out to help poorer countries, because it would lose them money.

And given the 18 months of evidence saying how young people are not affected by covid in the same way as adults, with any serious cases being barely anything in the data.

Is it possible that the push for vaccinating younger and younger is fueled more by money, more vaccines given out = more money made by said vaccine suppliers. The point the other way will be how it reduces spread which is also true, so there is the counter argument to it. In a world where money is king, where the UK has shown alone during the pandemic that money has trumped battling covid effectively with the billions of pounds spent needlesly to friends of the government.

Could it be at all possible they only want to vaccinate kids (given we are not far off covid medicine being available as well) simply to sell more vaccines to countries?

No, not really.

For a start, if you want to make money out of medicine then preventative measures like vaccination is not the way to go - you can see this with a comparison of the cost of things like Regeneron (between $1500 and $6500 per dose, and that’s on top of other hospital costs) and vaccines (Pfizer was twenty euro per dose).

The push to vaccinate everyone is a consequence of governments, for whatever reason, largely abandoning containment as a response to this. For reasons I’ve elaborated on at length I think this was the wrong decision (briefly having working and effective containment systems will protect us agains new variants / new diseases whereas being vaccinated against COVID may not / will not).

However once they’ve made that decision then they’ve got to vaccinate everyone, kids included, because otherwise the virus keeps bumbling along indefinitely in the substantial % of the population that isn’t vaccinated, and the vulnerable keep being picked off.
 
Is 5 too young for the vaccine?

Around 80 children in the 0-10 age group in the UK have died from COVID.
It’s not just about death though. You are also talking longer term effects of the virus etc.

It’s a tough one as a parent as you just can’t approach it in the same way as you would yourself (or other loved ones even).

People tend to be more concerned about the effects of a vaccine over the effects of the virus which doesn’t really make sense but I guess that’s historical due to previous issues with vaccines from years ago and there not really being the same precedent from a virus in recent history.

Balance of things Id much rather let my daughter take a vaccine (she’s had lots) than take a chance on something like covid.

I understand people’s concerns with it and why they might choose differently for their own child.

I guess I’d rather trust science than be skeptical. Without it we’d all be dead by 45.
 
No, not really.

For a start, if you want to make money out of medicine then preventative measures like vaccination is not the way to go - you can see this with a comparison of the cost of things like Regeneron (between $1500 and $6500 per dose, and that’s on top of other hospital costs) and vaccines (Pfizer was twenty euro per dose).

The push to vaccinate everyone is a consequence of governments, for whatever reason, largely abandoning containment as a response to this. For reasons I’ve elaborated on at length I think this was the wrong decision (briefly having working and effective containment systems will protect us agains new variants / new diseases whereas being vaccinated against COVID may not / will not).

However once they’ve made that decision then they’ve got to vaccinate everyone, kids included, because otherwise the virus keeps bumbling along indefinitely in the substantial % of the population that isn’t vaccinated, and the vulnerable keep being picked off.
The vunerable don't get picked off if you keep them vaccinated though, that is the key part. The responability therefore is on the ones who need the vaccination rather than the ones who don't to protect themselves. So an element of personal responsability to ensure yourself is protected rather than put that on anyone else.

Personally i disagree with the idea of abandoning anything. I believe the answer is and always was vaccinations, much the same way the Flu is much less significant these days than it would have been in the past, protecting people and having normaility is far superior to containing a virus that for all intents and purposes is not going to go away. So long term solution is vaccination, otherwise you are running the same circles over and over in fear of an unknown in a rather known situation. I am sure the scientific world are well aware of covid far beyond we are for example.

Vaccinations are the way to go to keep making money, it is the medicine that i am sure would be cheaper to make that would be where the money element drops off. For a virus that won't die off, you will always need vaccinations much like you need them for the flu on a yearly basis. So theoretically, the more arms you put them in, the more you sell on a yearly basis. Especially if you are putting them in young kids who is proven to not need them, not even teenagers but young children. Its adding millions of additional orders per country for the companies manufacturing them, especially when it becomes a yearly thing. I don;t object to the kids getting the flu jab each year so the covid jab will become part and parcel of that going forward, more so if its delivered in the same jab as was being talked about last december.

But this is just a discussion point anyway, Who knows if the world is that corrupt to go to this extent for money or whether it is just a genuine concern,
 
The vunerable don't get picked off if you keep them vaccinated though, that is the key part. The responability therefore is on the ones who need the vaccination rather than the ones who don't to protect themselves. So an element of personal responsability to ensure yourself is protected rather than put that on anyone else.

Personally i disagree with the idea of abandoning anything. I believe the answer is and always was vaccinations, much the same way the Flu is much less significant these days than it would have been in the past, protecting people and having normaility is far superior to containing a virus that for all intents and purposes is not going to go away. So long term solution is vaccination, otherwise you are running the same circles over and over in fear of an unknown in a rather known situation. I am sure the scientific world are well aware of covid far beyond we are for example.

Vaccinations are the way to go to keep making money, it is the medicine that i am sure would be cheaper to make that would be where the money element drops off. For a virus that won't die off, you will always need vaccinations much like you need them for the flu on a yearly basis. So theoretically, the more arms you put them in, the more you sell on a yearly basis. Especially if you are putting them in young kids who is proven to not need them, not even teenagers but young children. Its adding millions of additional orders per country for the companies manufacturing them, especially when it becomes a yearly thing. I don;t object to the kids getting the flu jab each year so the covid jab will become part and parcel of that going forward, more so if its delivered in the same jab as was being talked about last december.

But this is just a discussion point anyway, Who knows if the world is that corrupt to go to this extent for money or whether it is just a genuine concern,

The vulnerable do get picked off even if they are vaccinated, if the virus is circulating to a large enough extent - that’s why we are having so many vaccinated elderly and vulnerable people dying even now.

Also I am not sure how you can apparently criticise vaccination as being inspired by corruption whilst also saying it’s your preferred option.
 
The vulnerable do get picked off even if they are vaccinated, if the virus is circulating to a large enough extent - that’s why we are having so many vaccinated elderly and vulnerable people dying even now.

Also I am not sure how you can apparently criticise vaccination as being inspired by corruption whilst also saying it’s your preferred option.

The chance of dying when you are fully vaccinated is extremely small. The main issue is anti vaxxers allowing the spread to continue. If we vaccinated everyone above the age of say 10 or 11 deaths would be extremely low.
 
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