Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tin-Tin]

Over 80s have had their booster.

Its most likely more that they are over 80.

They have been offered it, are there any stats to show the takeup?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I live alone too ?

I most fear having our weekend’s taken away.

You're always shagging escorts though at least you get some companionship lol

We'll be alright I reckon - the conservatives are tbf libertarians in nature. Its Scotland I feel for under that Authoritarian leader of theirs - they'll be locked down by December nailed on.

 

[summerisle]

How is Jenny Harries still a thing? She shouldn't be anywhere near this situation anymore.

She's a lickspittler.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

That's within 28 days of a test - a LOT of those deaths will be almost entirely unrelated to the actual infection due to the age profile of those being admitted.

So don't listen to Drs as they don't know how to record death correctly anymore...

 

[Tubey]

She's a lickspittler.

And Cheltenham. And being generally wrong about absolutely everything she talks about ever.

The worst.

 

[summerisle]

And Cheltenham. And being generally wrong about absolutely everything she talks about ever.

The worst.

And masks.

 

[roydo]

They have been offered it, are there any stats to show the takeup?

No idea. But the stats for first and second jabs were good. See no reason why the booster would be much different.

 

[Tubey]

So don't listen to Drs as they don't know how to record death correctly anymore...

Of course they do, they're just not doing so with COVID for very understandable reasons given the statistics started in Jan 2020 with no knowledge of a new disease.

 

[Wizard]

Just been for my flu jab in Boots. Nice and speedy process. Never had one before but thought I may as well this year.

Would say masking was at around 50% or even a bit less which I found weird in a pharmacy.

Even before covid I was always wary of pharmacies as I was usually in there for some relief from whatever little cold I’d picked up so assumed most of the other people were too haha

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Of course they do, they're just not doing so with COVID for very understandable reasons given the statistics started in Jan 2020 with no knowledge of a new disease.

So COVID death is being overstated?

 

[ToffeeTim]

Over 80s have had their booster.

Its most likely more that they are over 80.

Yeah found out my granny got her booster last week, so they are definitely being rolled out at the minute.

 

[roydo]

So COVID death is being overstated?

I think they are prioritised. Like as many know, my Nikki passed recently, (in hospital). There were multiple official causes lodged after her inquest, but if she had contracted covid in there, that would be the primary reason given.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I know, but there's a sizeable amount that will get ill with COVID, recover (for want of a better word) but then succumb to pneumonia/MRSA/whatever due to a weakened state, yet it's still noted as a direct COVID death on statistics. Even the attempt at statistical exclusion you explain is penned as there to just 'help' be more accurate, but it still results in a sizeable number of people dying with COVID and not because of COVID.

The difference may on the surface of it be minimal, but when it comes to assessing mortality rate/vaccine efficacy it really is quite important. I understood it earlier in the pandemic, when testing and understanding were lacking, but now we really should be able to differentiate between deaths "with" and "due to" COVID - the statistics are seemingly deliberate in making very little attempt at doing that, and I think it's due to a misguided attempt at statistical consistency.

It takes quite a bit longer for figures to be released (because you need to get the information from the death certificate) and so it isn’t as useful as a real time flag but statistics are collected about deaths that are related to covid and reported regularly.

https://www.actuaries.org.uk/system/files/field/document/Mortality%20summary%20pandemic%20monitor%20Week%2040%202021%20v01%202021-10-19.pdf

Overall I think it a really quite difficult thing to measure, for instance ONS have just done an analysis of UK
data from the start to mid this year and I thought this was an important point.

Excess mortality and mortality displacement in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Deaths registered in England and Wales by week, from 28 December 2019 to 2 July 2021. Breakdowns include country, sex, age group, region, place of death, and leading cause. Includes analysis of excess deaths and relative cumulative age-standardised mortality rates.

www.ons.gov.uk

Diabetes was the most common underlying cause of death that involved COVID-19, with 3.7% of all deaths due to the cause mentioning COVID-19 on the death certificate (see Table 3). This could explain why deaths due to diabetes have increased above average; although the underlying cause of death is diabetes, COVID-19 contributed towards the death.

 

[LinekersLegs]

No idea. But the stats for first and second jabs were good. See no reason why the booster would be much different.

Rollout has been poor to date unfortunately.


Thankfully uncle has an apt for his on Monday

 

[Tubey]

So COVID death is being overstated?

Absolutely it is. I mean, that's just an absolute fact really. The only question is by how much, and the problem is that the way the data has been recorded we may actually never know.

But as said, it's for largely understandable reasons, or at least it was.