Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[cronullasharks]

...and on a more serious note; I hope QLD / Brisbane get it all sorted soon as I've just lashed out for tickets for The Ashes at the Gabba 9th Dec.

And on an even more serious note, will the useless tim paine get dropped.

Surely by December things are back to normal.

 

[cronullasharks]

Not going to be much fun watching England’s C team getting tonked

I beg to differ

 

[TN Toffee]

So for ages I scoffed at all the doom merchants scaremongering about the virus and the vaccine....
Sure I had my doubts about the vaccine, given there's no way you could market something as safe with such a short turnaround....

However I am starting to question more and more the benefits of said vaccine and the increasing pressure being put on people to get it...

This is purely based on my own experiences..
Nan and her husband both caught covid after their jabs (astra zeneca)

Me and my partner both managed to avoid covid pre jab...
Oddly we've both since caught it after having the jab....

She was assured there was hardly any risk to getting the jab, yet after the first one she ended up in hospital due to her kidneys near shutting down....
After the second one she had abnormal bleeds and despite being on the pill fell pregnant...
When speaking to the midwife we were told that quite a lot of women are reporting similar issues....

So you can surely forgive me for starting to doubt the benefits of this vaccine...
Wouldn't surprise me if there's a class action lawsuits filed against astra zeneca in the not too distant future

Tin foil hat time but it feels very much like the phalanx vaccine if you ask me (nod to world war z)

None of the vaccines were EVER advertised as being able to prevent you from contracting COVID altogether, only to prevent serious illness and death in the event you do. How we’re almost a year into the vaccine rollout people and are still confused on this point speaks to poor communication from governments/scientists/doctors. I totally understand the other stuff being concerning, but simply testing positive for COVID after being vaccinated isn’t a mark against the vaccines.

 

[degsy]

Not going to be much fun watching England’s C team getting tonked

Its all about a day on the beer.
I'll cheer for the Aussies...or whoever is winning, at the end I'll say...the boys did good.
Given the brittle batting of both sides, I think it'll turn into a - who can collapse first and fastest.

 

[f.t.r.s]

None of the vaccines were EVER advertised as being able to prevent you from contracting COVID altogether, only to prevent serious illness and death in the event you do. How we’re almost a year into the vaccine rollout people and are still confused on this point speaks to poor communication from governments/scientists/doctors. I totally understand the other stuff being concerning, but simply testing positive for COVID after being vaccinated isn’t a mark against the vaccines.

Oh I'm not questioning that, I'm fully aware vaccinations don't prevent you catching something, they're only supposed to limit the damage if you do...
I just find it wierd how we all managed to safely avoid it pre vaccination, yet all caught it post jab without any change of routine...
It may we'll be a coincidence but it has got me questioning stuff....
Like having two girls and seeing the effects it's had on their mum, coupled with several female health care professionals agreeing that they're have been numerous reports of similar issues has got me thinking if it's worth the risk of getting them jabbed if and when we're asked to

 

[The binman chronicles]

So for ages I scoffed at all the doom merchants scaremongering about the virus and the vaccine....
Sure I had my doubts about the vaccine, given there's no way you could market something as safe with such a short turnaround....

However I am starting to question more and more the benefits of said vaccine and the increasing pressure being put on people to get it...

This is purely based on my own experiences..
Nan and her husband both caught covid after their jabs (astra zeneca)

Me and my partner both managed to avoid covid pre jab...
Oddly we've both since caught it after having the jab....

She was assured there was hardly any risk to getting the jab, yet after the first one she ended up in hospital due to her kidneys near shutting down....
After the second one she had abnormal bleeds and despite being on the pill fell pregnant...
When speaking to the midwife we were told that quite a lot of women are reporting similar issues....

So you can surely forgive me for starting to doubt the benefits of this vaccine...
Wouldn't surprise me if there's a class action lawsuits filed against astra zeneca in the not too distant future

Tin foil hat time but it feels very much like the phalanx vaccine if you ask me (nod to world war z)

All those are better then catching covid without having had the vaccine and ending up on a ventilator or worse. I can't say this is the truth but they way I look at it is if you have a bad reaction to the vaccine then you might be in the group that wouldn't handle the virus well either. Damned if you do/don't.

I just look at the news and see that poor girl who died aged 15 and just think if we had rolled it out earlier she would probably still be here.

 

[degsy]

And on an even more serious note, will the useless tim paine get dropped.

Surely by December things are back to normal.

Best run that by Queen Anna first, last time I looked she was up to mid 90% to open up, could be 105% to open up now.
You still can't get odds that she won't lockdown on Tues morning once the long weekend and the rugby final are done

 

[TN Toffee]

Oh I'm not questioning that, I'm fully aware vaccinations don't prevent you catching something, they're only supposed to limit the damage if you do...
I just find it wierd how we all managed to safely avoid it pre vaccination, yet all caught it post jab without any change of routine...
It may we'll be a coincidence but it has got me questioning stuff....
Like having two girls and seeing the effects it's had on their mum, coupled with several female health care professionals agreeing that they're have been numerous reports of similar issues has got me thinking if it's worth the risk of getting them jabbed if and when we're asked to

Obviously can’t speak to how careful you were/are being, but generally I think a combination or lockdown fatigue, complacency and a much more transmissible variant becoming dominant has led to such widespread infection in the post-vaccine months. A much higher percentage of people were truly isolating for almost all of 2020.

 

[f.t.r.s]

Obviously can’t speak to how careful you were/are being, but generally I think a combination or lockdown fatigue, complacency and a much more transmissible variant becoming dominant has led to such widespread infection in the post-vaccine months. A much higher percentage of people were truly isolating for almost all of 2020.

Well neither of us were able to truly isolate beforehand, given I work as a private hire driver and the missus is a teaching assistant...
Do you not think it's mad that legally we have to send the kids in on Monday, despite us both being positive....
Unless the kids test positive too...
Is it not likely that they could be carriers?

 

[TN Toffee]

All those are better then catching covid without having had the vaccine and ending up on a ventilator or worse. I can't say this is the truth but they way I look at it is if you have a bad reaction to the vaccine then you might be in the group that wouldn't handle the virus well either. Damned if you do/don't.

I just look at the news and see that poor girl who died aged 15 and just think if we had rolled it out earlier she would probably still be here.

Or the people who catch (or claim to know someone who did) a bad case of COVID in spite of being vaxxed, and then take to social media to screech about how the vaccine doesn’t work. In reality, it almost certainly saved their life.

 

[TN Toffee]

Well neither of us were able to truly isolate beforehand, given I work as a private hire driver and the missus is a teaching assistant...
Do you not think it's mad that legally we have to send the kids in on Monday, despite us both being positive....
Unless the kids test positive too...
Is it not likely that they could be carriers?

That doesn’t seem ideal. I’m in the US, so honestly I know very little about how the UK has been handling getting kids safely back to school. Things haven’t gone smoothly here.

 

[f.t.r.s]

That doesn’t seem ideal. I’m in the US, so honestly I know very little about how the UK has been handling getting kids safely back to school. Things haven’t gone smoothly here.

The current system is a joke....
If one member of the house is positive and isolating it goes as such:
If you've had one jab you have to isolate
If you've had both and test negative you can carry on as normal...
If both parents are positive they have to isolate...
They're expected to continue to somehow ensure any children continue to attend school unless the children also test positive...
Is it any wonder that it's still spreading with rules like that?
My missus has also , along with every other member of staff been told not to download track and trace as the school can't afford for staff to get pinged and be forced to isolate...
And I've heard similar from NHS workers and quite a lot of other workers too..
The country is a joke tbh

 

[LinekersLegs]

You seem to be missing the point entirely. The issue is the pressure these choices put on healthcare systems globally. People who refuse to be vaccinated will never, ever come close to the pressure that the obese, smokers or those who drink (don’t forget it’s not just alcoholics, it’s the drunks who turn up every weekend) place on healthcare systems.

It’s not about whether what ails you is contagious, it’s about how much pressure it exerts on the NHS. So put the ciggies away and put the cookies down.

I don’t ever recall a time in the past when whole states health systems were overwhelmed by those conditions such as currently being experienced in Idaho with unvaccinated Covid patients.

EXPLAINER: What are 'Crisis Standards of Care?'

As the spread of the delta variant continues unabated in much of the U.S., public health leaders have approved health care rationing in Idaho and parts of Alaska and Montana.

apnews.com

You seem to be conflating two issues - overall demand and surge demand.

Contagious respiratory illnesses are different in that they can occur in a very constricted period of time, bad flu outbreaks routinely cause capacity problems for instance, whereas the items you list generally are more of a steady state that can be planned for and capacity scaled accordingly.

Friday and Saturday nights with drunks in the ER would be the closest you get to it overwhelming the system and whilst I don’t think that should be minimized it isn’t the same as having to cancel cancer patient surgeries for weeks as you haven’t got any ICU beds for recovery.

Should we as societies be healthier and work to reduce the overall pressure obviously yes but that doesn’t mean that unvaccinated patients aren’t causing huge surge pressure on many hospital systems currently.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[BlueStevie35]

No hospital figures reported for today, last Sunday’s late revealed total was 56

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 43 deaths were announced today, down 78 on yesterday and down 15 on last Sunday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 112.14

For the 60 day cut off, 52 deaths were announced today, down 104 on yesterday and down 24 on last Sunday. The 7 day rolling average falls to an even 137