Sagat
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Oh I do own my choices and their consequences and I'm prepared to die on this hill.
Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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Sagat
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What is the point of this question?
‘Well that evidence is conflicting with other studies, produced in this country and endorsed, that vaccinated people can carry and transmit the virus at the same rates as unvaccinated.’
The point is that there is a flaw in this argument/logic.
The likelihood of someone passing the virus onto someone else having *not* contracted it in the first place is minuscule.
The vaccine reduces the likelihood that you will contract in the first place.
So vaccinated people are much less likely to pass it onto other people purely on the basis that they are less likely to contract it in the first place.
Sagat
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But you are assuming that the unvaccinated are carrying the virus too. You are also assuming that the unvaccinated have no prior immunity whatsoever
No. I’m assuming that the vaccine has at least some effectiveness which all evidence shows it does.
That being the case you are much less likely to contract the virus if vaccinated.
And given, for all intents and purposes, passing the virus on to someone else is conditional on actually getting it in the first place, a vaccinated person is less likely to spread the virus than an unvaccinated person.
NilSatisOptimum
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No evidence these vaccines are anywhere near "sterilizing" COVID, all the evidence and I am pretty sure it will remain "effective" immunity with current batch of vaccination, which can prevent a pathogen from causing serious disease for majority of healthy people, but can't stop it from entering the body or making more copies of itself, thus pass it on.
Whilst I agree that the vaccines aren’t ‘sterilising’ covid, I don’t agree that they aren’t lowering the probability of contracting the virus relative to an unvaccinated person.
if it didn’t have any effect in that regard, the number of cases would be ALOT higher and the vaccinated cohort would contribute a lot more.
No vaccine is 100% effective, but even a 20% effectiveness would have significant compounding effects.
NilSatisOptimum
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Trouble with "effective" vaccination, many more people can go about their lifes, never knowing they were asymptomatic, unless we are testing all vaccinated at PCR level regularly, who knows that true number, looking at cases, those in hospital and unfortunately still dying it's pretty high in my opinion.
I'm itching to get my booster, had second jab half time of last derby, and I'll want them until some very effective antivirals come online. Until then, vaccination, mask up and keep away from mouth breathers.
I'm double jabbed since July and have had a combination of head cold/back ache/bunged up nose all week.
Two eldest went back to school last week and have been off all this week as well - as is half the school.
Our 2 yr old has a cough and runny nose as well.
Mrs Dublinbluenose seems to be the only one to escape.
Quite difficult to book a test as anyone witha sniffle is sent home or tood not to go to school so the tests are getting booked really quuckly. At this stage I probably wont bother getting a test and am just assuming we have covid.
Gonna be a loonnngggg winter.
Two eldest went back to school last week and have been off all this week as well - as is half the school.
Our 2 yr old has a cough and runny nose as well.
Mrs Dublinbluenose seems to be the only one to escape.
Quite difficult to book a test as anyone witha sniffle is sent home or tood not to go to school so the tests are getting booked really quuckly. At this stage I probably wont bother getting a test and am just assuming we have covid.
Gonna be a loonnngggg winter.
Do you have access to lateral flow tests?
Look at it this way. Ignoring behaviours. Let’s assume no controls other than a vaccine. I’ll assume an r0 of 6. And that this spread will have over 10 days. That is, 1 person will spread it to 6 people 10 days.
I’ll give the vaccine a 17% effectiveness (which would drop r0 to 5).
Scenario one - population entirely unvaccinated.
After 40 days 1 person with the virus would be responsible for 1296 subsequent infections.
Scenario two - population entirely vaccinated with 17% effectiveness.
After 40 days 1 person would be responsible for 625 subsequent infections.
I've actually managed to book a test now for tomorrow
TN Toffee
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What makes you think the vaccine didn't work for him? They were never intended to completely prevent a person from catching COVID, but to prevent severe illness, and possible hospitalization and death. Given the severity of his symptoms, it's entirely likely the vaccine saved his life.
Unfortunately, you very well may. There's stories on the news here every single night in the US right now of people who thought they knew better than doctors and scientists, and didn't come to realize just how foolish that mindset was until it was far too late.
Look at the tattoos on that fella’s head. Genuinely terrified of Raiders fans
My lads had a sore throat and a runny nose since he went back to school. Had a LFT and then a PCR to be sure, both negative. I've been the same, done a couple of LFT and negative as well.
I think sometimes colds will just be colds, sore throats will be sore throats etc but still good to ge tested mate. I do it 3-4 times a week, the missus (NHS) gets tested in work, I do my son a couple of times a week at least.
I just treat it as a normal thing to do now so if you do get a chance, get yourself a pack of lateral flow tests every week so you've got them around the house for all the family.
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