Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Sagat]

You can just read the paper in the link for the emoji free detailed explanation.

That's all good and well but no "expert" can tell me what any long term side effects are going to be because we simply haven't had time to study them. Give it 5 years and I'll gladly eat my humble pie but I'm just not convinced and I won't be heckled into it with cries of "anti-vaxxer" or "conspiracy nut". If anything that just hardens my resolve.

 

[Amw79]

That's all good and well but no "expert" can tell me what any long term side effects are going to be because we simply haven't had time to study them. Give it 5 years and I'll gladly eat my humble pie but I'm just not convinced and I won't be heckled into it with cries of "anti-vaxxer" or "conspiracy nut". If anything that just hardens my resolve.

That’s entirely up to you. My only point was that I’ve heard plenty of, let’s say, vaccine hesitant people, claim that the impact of them choosing not to get a vaccine is only on themselves, and that they pose no greater risk to others than vaccinated people, in terms of transmission. Evidence is now mounting that it isn’t the case, so those choices do in fact, impact other people. People can still make the choice, but they can‘t pretend that they’re not risking the health of others.

Your point about potential vaccine long term side effects is, in theory, fine, as we can‘t possibly know the 5 year effects. But the same argument could also be made of COVID itself.

 

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[Sagat]

That’s entirely up to you. My only point was that I’ve heard plenty of, let’s say, vaccine hesitant people, claim that the impact of them choosing not to get a vaccine is only on themselves, and that they pose no greater risk to others than vaccinated people, in terms of transmission. Evidence is now mounting that it isn’t the case, so those choices do in fact, impact other people. People can still make the choice, but they can‘t pretend that they’re not risking the health of others.

Your point about potential vaccine long term side effects is, in theory, fine, as we can‘t possibly know the 5 year effects. But the same argument could also be made of COVID itself.

Well that evidence is conflicting with other studies, produced in this country and endorsed, that vaccinated people can carry and transmit the virus at the same rates as unvaccinated.

Besides, if you're vaccinated what is your problem? Or are you concerned that some of the whackos might be right and the vaccine isn't all it's cracked up to be. On top of that the fear mongering about the "great unvaxxed" is just that. Infections are being caught almost exclusively in institutional settings. People are going to hospital with one ailment and are getting infected there. Or they are going into multi-generational households and passing it on there.

You aren't going to pass by me in the supermarket and suddenly catch the virus. It's a nonsense, it's always been a nonsense, and people should know better than to succumb to this mass media induced paranoia.

30,000 women have reported period disruption in the UK post vaccination. I think this is a little bit more than a coincidence.

 

[Billy Dean]

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Nicki Minaj might have made some dumb takes about her friend's testicle but she's hit this one out of the court. Western politics has become dangerously polarised and has fallen into a purity spiral

That tweet makes literally no sense.

 

[Amw79]

Well that evidence is conflicting with other studies, produced in this country and endorsed, that vaccinated people can carry and transmit the virus at the same rates as unvaccinated.

Besides, if you're vaccinated what is your problem? Or are you concerned that some of the whackos might be right and the vaccine isn't all it's cracked up to be. On top of that the fear mongering about the "great unvaxxed" is just that. Infections are being caught almost exclusively in institutional settings. People are going to hospital with one ailment and are getting infected there. Or they are going into multi-generational households and passing it on there.

You aren't going to pass by me in the supermarket and suddenly catch the virus. It's a nonsense, it's always been a nonsense, and people should know better than to succumb to this mass media induced paranoia.

Looks like I was wrong. People can still pretend they’re not risking the health of others.

 

[Sagat]

That tweet makes literally no sense.

You aren't aware of the racial divides in American politics? It been going on for a while

 

[Sagat]

Looks like I was wrong. People can still pretend they’re not risking the health of others.

Then you are risking my health and the health of my children with your demands that everyone be vaccinated with a product that has not been through rigorous testing and has absolutely the WORST track record of any vaccine in the history of the world. More people have died post vaccination than of all other vaccines combined.

You have assessed the risks in your own way and chosen to get vaccinated. I have assessed the risks myself and chosen not to.

You cannot compel someone to undertake a medical procedure, however small, without their consent. That includes coercion. Pointing the finger at the unvaccinated is just a smoke screen for government failures. All Western governments saw this coming, they had time to prepare and they failed.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Then you are risking my health and the health of my children with your demands that everyone be vaccinated with a product that has not been through rigorous testing and has absolutely the WORST track record of any vaccine in the history of the world. More people have died post vaccination than of all other vaccines combined.

You have assessed the risks in your own way and chosen to get vaccinated. I have assessed the risks myself and chosen not to.

That just reads like a childhood rant in the playground. What's your evidence it is the worst vaccine in history? And if everyone took your attitude and waited 5 years we'd all still be in a deep freeze lockdown with the economy on its knees and death rates many multiples higher.

But you get the luxury in your eyes to benefit off the backs of everyone else? This is an emergency situation and people should act accordingly. Enforcing strict vaccine passports is the only way forward for me.

I wasn't so extreme until recently and got covid myself. I'm double vaccinated, youngish (45) and fit enough to run marathons. I was literally in training for London and my last long training run before catching it was 18 miles in about 2hrs 45. Not especially fast but healthy enough. I then caught covid from my teenage daughter and it had me on my back for 7 days and I still feel rough as hell. This isn't some random version of flu.

 

[Amw79]

Then you are risking my health and the health of my children with your demands that everyone be vaccinated with a product that has not been through rigorous testing and has absolutely the WORST track record of any vaccine in the history of the world. More people have died post vaccination than of all other vaccines combined.

You have assessed the risks in your own way and chosen to get vaccinated. I have assessed the risks myself and chosen not to.

This is a lie. I haven’t demanded anything.

All our choices carry risk, to ourselves or to others, and we have to own that risk, and own the consequences of our choices. But it seems like many anti-vaxxers want to make their choice but not own the risk to others, and will jump through hoops to avoid acknowledging it.

 

[Sagat]

That just reads like a childhood rant in the playground. What's your evidence it is the worst vaccine in history? And if everyone took your attitude and waited 5 years we'd all still be in a deep freeze lockdown with the economy on its knees and death rates many multiples higher.

But you get the luxury in your eyes to benefit off the backs of everyone else? This is an emergency situation and people should act accordingly. Enforcing strict vaccine passports is the only way forward for me.

I wasn't so extreme until recently and got covid myself. I'm double vaccinated, youngish (45) and fit enough to run marathons. I was literally in training for London and my last long training run before catching it was 18 miles in about 2hrs 45. Not especially fast but healthy enough. I then caught covid from my teenage daughter and it had me on my back for 7 days and I still feel rough as hell. This isn't some random version of flu.

What's the evidence? Oh I don't know. Try the official reporting system. I'm sorry you caught covid and I'm sorry the vaccine didn't work for you.

 

[mill]

Well that evidence is conflicting with other studies, produced in this country and endorsed, that vaccinated people can carry and transmit the virus at the same rates as unvaccinated.

Besides, if you're vaccinated what is your problem? Or are you concerned that some of the whackos might be right and the vaccine isn't all it's cracked up to be. On top of that the fear mongering about the "great unvaxxed" is just that. Infections are being caught almost exclusively in institutional settings. People are going to hospital with one ailment and are getting infected there. Or they are going into multi-generational households and passing it on there.

You aren't going to pass by me in the supermarket and suddenly catch the virus. It's a nonsense, it's always been a nonsense, and people should know better than to succumb to this mass media induced paranoia.

30,000 women have reported period disruption in the UK post vaccination. I think this is a little bit more than a coincidence.

Do you think you can pass it onto people if you don’t contract the virus in the first place?