Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Tipp blue said:
Ireland, I have insurance, a few years ago my son needed a routine surgery and we were told that there was a 18 month waiting list, I asked if we could get it done earlier if we went private with our insurance, "what date would suit you" was his response. In all reality someone got a call postponing their kids appointment on the date we chose.
It was in the national children's hospital and we were referred publicly and I Ireland public hospitals can be used by consultants doing private procedures and basically give people a queue skipping pass.
Here's an article from a few years ago on that practice but nothing has changed since then.

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So you are comparing decisions over ‘routine’ surgery to emergency care?

that’s exactly the same thing.
 
mill said:
So you are comparing decisions over ‘routine’ surgery to emergency care?

that’s exactly the same thing.
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No I'm saying that Doctors will prioritise money in a lot of cases. The post I was originally responding to said that there were 2 patients in need of the same ICU service, but it was given to the person who chose not to be vaccinated and then caught Covid.. so another person didn't get the care they required because of the choice of someone else not to get vaccinated.. my point was that if 2 people are in need of care that only 1 can have then the person who despite all the evidence on vaccines keeping you out of hospital still chose not to be vaccinated, shouldn't get the care at that point, wait for the next avaliable ICU to open up.
 
Tipp blue said:
No I'm saying that Doctors will prioritise money in a lot of cases. The post I was originally responding to said that there were 2 patients in need of the same ICU service, but it was given to the person who chose not to be vaccinated and then caught Covid.. so another person didn't get the care they required because of the choice of someone else not to get vaccinated.. my point was that if 2 people are in need of care that only 1 can have then the person who despite all the evidence on vaccines keeping you out of hospital still chose not to be vaccinated, shouldn't get the care at that point, wait for the next avaliable ICU to open up.
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And I’m saying that’s ridiculous. Doctors in emergency care treat the most critical. End of. Drawing lines over anything beyond that is facist as f***.
 
I may have missed this in here but if you get pinged by test and trace as a close contact of someone who’s tested positive, do you still have to self isolate if you’ve had both vaccinations some time ago and are showing no symptoms at all.

I’m just not sure so was hoping someone may know.
 
boris said:
I may have missed this in here but if you get pinged by test and trace as a close contact of someone who’s tested positive, do you still have to self isolate if you’ve had both vaccinations some time ago and are showing no symptoms at all.

I’m just not sure so was hoping someone may know.
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Annoyingly yes. Even if you test negative in a subsequent test.
It’s a weird loop hole.
As if you have symptoms say and then test negative you are good to go.
 
mill said:
And I’m saying that’s ridiculous. Doctors in emergency care treat the most critical. End of. Drawing lines over anything beyond that is facist as f***.
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Unbelievable BS.. in emergency settings when overwhelmed the most critical is the last to be treated, who's most likley to be saved is how the priority list is devised.
 
Tipp blue said:
Unbelievable BS.. in emergency settings when overwhelmed the most critical is the last to be treated, who's most likley to be saved is how the priority list is devised.
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So if someone had a broken leg, they would be treated before someone who’d had a heart attack?
 
Long wait time for PCR results at the moment- sent Thursday lunchtime
(received at 7 according to royal mail tracking) and didn't get results til around 1pm today!
 
mill said:
So if someone had a broken leg, they would be treated before someone who’d had a heart attack?
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No because when things get majorly overwhelmed (which is what we are talking about) a broken leg isn't an emergency.
You say heart attack, 2 patients a 97 year old and a 40 year old, the 97 year old will die without care and might die with care, the 40 year old might die without care but won't die with care.. your hospital is overwhelmed you can treat 1 of them, the 97 year old is obviously more critical.. who would you treat?
 
mill said:
So if someone had a broken leg, they would be treated before someone who’d had a heart attack?
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Can see if Intensive care unit is full some very difficult decisions will need to be made. Unfortunately for the UK and NHS our capacity to safely manage ICUs is one of the lowest thanks to years of underinvestment, hence the continuing worry of the NHS being overwhelmed.
 
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