Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[dholliday]

Yes there is a clear distinction between the two groups and by lumping them together it isn't useful.

Sure there is a crossover, but not every covid-vaccine-hesitant is a pure anti vaxxer

Thank you! Not by a long shot.

There is a big pro-choice and/or vaccine-hesitant crowd. They're mostly playing a wait-n-see. They vaccinated their kids against all the usuals, vaccinated themselves too. Regarding a rushly-developed Covid-vaccine, for a new virus which appears to be harmful only for a minority of infected, of course there is reason to be cautious. They look at the information available and decide that they are, basically, undecided. For now.

Until new information comes to light, or personal experiences change things.

This needs to be respected as a basic human right-to-choose. Instead we're seeing demonisation, often horrible sentiments, against such folk.

And yes...the former US Secretary of Education did eventually delete his demonic post...but his sentiment is one shared by many who are already-vaxxed, and perhaps resent those who haven't taken that step yet:

Choice example...this is the former US Secretary of Education:




Screenshot in case he deletes it:

 

[dholliday]

I say things like that because that is how I feel - we are dealing with here with a really important issue, and yet here we go again with someone misunderstanding / misusing statistics to make a point (“the vaccine is essentially useless”) that even he now acknowledges was too far.

Read his reply, tsu...he dialled back his comment after your reply to him, but stands by the under-50's statistic.

This is good! This is coming together.

Let's not separate us into ilks...we can come closer together if we focus on the arguments that make sense as well as the ones that don't.

We’ve all seen the real world consequences of people reading and believing this stuff without taking the time to look into whether or not it’s true, but that doesn’t stop people (often the same people) repeatedly raising these issues as if they are a legitimate position to take. You are a particularly good example of those people.

The issues I'm raising remain broadly unchallenged. There's only 2 or 3 posters who have given me fair replies in this thread.

The majority who have not taken the vaccine yet are anti vaxxers.

By definition, no they are not.

You misunderstand what anti even means.

Getting vaccinated is extremely accessible and takes less than 20 minutes.

That's not relevant to why folk have chosen to not yet get vaccinated.

As I have mentioned previously I fully support making things as difficult as possible for anti vaxxers. They shouldn't be allowed into any indoor venues. Supermarkets should only offer an outdoor click and collect or delivery service for these individuals as they are causing mass deaths and are dangerous.

Fascist thinking.

And what's your source on the causing mass deaths bit?

 

[LostLegend]

*losing.


Right-wing bad.

Sorry for the minor typo you tedious little bore.

Did you take a look at any of the footage?
You really want to side with David ‘Son of God’ Icke? Here? Or the various fellas caught in camera saying they need to “up the violence”? Or Piers Corbyn calling for them to “attack vaccination centres”?

That’s who you are throwing your hat in with?

Christ…

Also I said “FAR Right”
So, yes “FAR Right definitely bad”

 

[grandjoeblue]

@dholliday clearly anti vaxxers or hesitant non vaxxed or whatever rebranding name you're trying to add are causing mass spread and mass hospitisation.

If everyone in the UK was 'vaccine hesitant' we would still be under a lockdown and thats a fact. These people are absolute disgraces who are going to cause major problems for the NHS in the winter.

 

[tsubaki]

Read his reply, tsu...he dialled back his comment after your reply to him, but stands by the under-50's statistic.

This is good! This is coming together.

Let's not separate us into ilks...we can come closer together if we focus on the arguments that make sense as well as the ones that don't.



The issues I'm raising remain broadly unchallenged. There's only 2 or 3 posters who have given me fair replies in this thread.



By definition, no they are not.

You misunderstand what anti even means.


That's not relevant to why folk have chosen to not yet get vaccinated.



Fascist thinking.

And what's your source on the causing mass deaths bit?

I know he is standing by it, that is why he is wrong. It’s also the same point he appears to have serially made on here by the way.

As for you, I congratulate those two posters but your behaviour here really demonstrates that you don’t deserve respect - I mean, just to say the issues you raise remain “broadly unchallenged” indicates how you have zero respect for anyone else; you’ve not even acknowledged the effort people have put in to explain to you why you are so obviously wrong.

 

[dholliday]

Sorry for the minor typo you tedious little bore.

It's not a typo, it's curiously the most common spelling mistake in the english language.

 

[LostLegend]

It's not a typo, it's curiously the most common spelling mistake in the english language.

 

[dholliday]

@dholliday clearly anti vaxxers or hesitant non vaxxed or whatever rebranding name you're trying to add are causing mass spread and mass hospitisation.

You said they're causing mass death.

What makes you say that?

If everyone in the UK was 'vaccine hesitant' we would still be under a lockdown and thats a fact.

That's not a fact, as you're predicting an alternative reality. By the very nature of your prediction, it simply cannot be a fact.

These people are absolute disgraces who are going to cause major problems for the NHS in the winter.

othering.

I know he is standing by it, that is why he is wrong.

I've posted this graph twice now. I'm gonna post it again. What is wrong about it?

As for you, I congratulate those two posters but your behaviour here really demonstrates that you don’t deserve respect - I mean, just to say the issues you raise remain “broadly unchallenged” indicates how you have zero respect for anyone else; you’ve not even acknowledged the effort people have put in to explain to you why you are so obviously wrong.

You talking about respect...yeah, very funny.

I give credit to posts when it's due. I've even given credit to one or two of yours. I don't give credit to posts that don't deserve it.

That's all it is. This is an echo chamber, it's important to remember this when talking about 'respect'. There are busier echo chambers than this one which have the polar opposite view. I'm active on them too, and see the same polarisation going on. It's sad.

The phrase you can't all be right comes to mind. As does that other well-known saying the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[Nymzee]

It's not a typo, it's curiously the most common spelling mistake in the english language.

*English

 

[john jako]

You said they're causing mass death.

What makes you say that?



That's not a fact, as you're predicting an alternative reality. By the very nature of your prediction, it simply cannot be a fact.



othering.


I've posted this graph twice now. I'm gonna post it again. What is wrong about it?

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You talking about respect...yeah, very funny.

I give credit to posts when it's due. I've even given credit to one or two of yours. I don't give credit to posts that don't deserve it.

That's all it is. This is an echo chamber, it's important to remember this when talking about 'respect'. There are busier echo chambers than this one which have the polar opposite view. I'm active on them too, and see the same polarisation going on. It's sad.

The phrase you can't all be right comes to mind. As does that other well-known saying the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

bloody multi quoters

 

[DuuuncanHadaPigeon]

I know he is standing by it, that is why he is wrong. It’s also the same point he appears to have serially made on here by the way.

As for you, I congratulate those two posters but your behaviour here really demonstrates that you don’t deserve respect - I mean, just to say the issues you raise remain “broadly unchallenged” indicates how you have zero respect for anyone else; you’ve not even acknowledged the effort people have put in to explain to you why you are so obviously wrong.

I am using the data provided by the government.

All I am doing is comparing two statistics and they are;

If vaccinated what is P(B|A) where A = you are infected and B is chance of death

If unvaccinated what is P(B|A) where A = you are infected and B is chance of death

This is one of many important statistics that must be considered when measuring effectiveness of vaccine.

I don't think I am being disingenuous with the data here, or trying to cherry pick anything, like I said this is the official gvmt data. If they release the % of people vaccinated then I can use that too, but they haven't.

 

[cronullasharks]

You said they're causing mass death.

What makes you say that?



That's not a fact, as you're predicting an alternative reality. By the very nature of your prediction, it simply cannot be a fact.



othering.


I've posted this graph twice now. I'm gonna post it again. What is wrong about it?

View attachment 137489




You talking about respect...yeah, very funny.

I give credit to posts when it's due. I've even given credit to one or two of yours. I don't give credit to posts that don't deserve it.

That's all it is. This is an echo chamber, it's important to remember this when talking about 'respect'. There are busier echo chambers than this one which have the polar opposite view. I'm active on them too, and see the same polarisation going on. It's sad.

The phrase you can't all be right comes to mind. As does that other well-known saying the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Shut up

 

[tsubaki]

You said they're causing mass death.

What makes you say that?



That's not a fact, as you're predicting an alternative reality. By the very nature of your prediction, it simply cannot be a fact.



othering.


I've posted this graph twice now. I'm gonna post it again. What is wrong about it?

View attachment 137489




You talking about respect...yeah, very funny.

I give credit to posts when it's due. I've even given credit to one or two of yours. I don't give credit to posts that don't deserve it.

That's all it is. This is an echo chamber, it's important to remember this when talking about 'respect'. There are busier echo chambers than this one which have the polar opposite view. I'm active on them too, and see the same polarisation going on. It's sad.

The phrase you can't all be right comes to mind. As does that other well-known saying the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

It isn’t an echo chamber.

There is a wide variety of views on here, which you would know if you actually read anyone else’s posts. A lot of them are really well informed and genuine, yet because that doesn’t fit in to your narrative of dismissing everything you ignore it all.

Of course you then support the most polarising politician going, and then blame everyone else for the division we see in society. It is very sad.

 

[dholliday]

*English

small letters are acceptable

Shut up

and this is why you don't understand what's going on.

 

[dholliday]

It isn’t an echo chamber.

There is a wide variety of views on here, which you would know if you actually read anyone else’s posts.

I do read all the posts (within my active times, that is) and I don't agree there is a "wide variety of views".