grandjoeblue
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The choice should be either get vaccinated or not be allowed in any indoor venue or on public transport.
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The choice should be either get vaccinated or not be allowed in any indoor venue or on public transport.
tsubaki
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TBF chips were a lot bigger then
Well this is what I mean.
Everyone has a choice.
I'm not really sure you can deny people basic human rights, like, because then it's all big brother. And I don't think we should be having to scan our phones or ID pass to get on a bus or buy food.
However, going to a match or a gig or a club isn't a 'basic human right'. So that's where I'd draw the line personally.
NilSatisOptimum
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In part they will.
However, I've been to football matches, been down in the South West for my holidays, and caught up with some friends at the weekend in Staines, so been out and about across the country, mask wearing and social distancing is virtually non existent in every setting.
So it is may become a bigger deal in Autumn / Winter, right?
You say not seasonal and I think you mean its not weather/climate contingent as an entity. However, it is influenced by social behaviours and timetables which are seasonal. I.e. kids at school, unis returning, more indoors gathering, festive events etc.
Spadge Vernacular
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I believe one of the major worries for the winter is from other infections that we largely avoided due to the previous lockdowns - weakening our immune response.
Why we are preparing for a worst-case scenario winter season – UK Health Security Agency
Alongside COVID-19 there remain other serious threats that stretch our health and social care services every year. Right now, to ensure we plan for these as well as for the continuing pandemic, our attention is on autumn and winter, ensuring
That said there are reports that the gov is planning firebreak lockdowns to deal with both the above and Covid spikes, as per the below.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/c...plans-firebreak-lockdowns-over-winter-1140135
Outside of an escape mutation, it is most likely that the young (not vaccinated or just a single dose), and those not vaccinated by choice or because of health issues will be most affected. The Chamber of Business is lobbying the gov to put a strategy in place in readiness for this scenario.
‘Business Needs Government to Produce an Autumn/Winter Strategy for Covid’ - BCC Director General
Speaking to BBC Breakfast this morning, Shevaun Haviland called on government to bring forward a Covid strategy for the coming months, as well as contingency planning for the possibility of a variant evading the vaccine.She said: “What we’d really like to see is a contingency plan in place that...
The vaccine is much more important though.
I still wear my mask to go to the shop and when I pop through to the gym. Other than that, I've not taken one anywhere with me (bar the hospital)
It's seasonal in that respiratory illnesses are always more common in winter.
That's why there's a booster roll out starting.
ForeverBlue92
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Which is why I imagine we'll be back to masks tbh but schools/uni's are ultimately the big spreaders and they are open September - June so its not entirely a "winter" thing as the Flu tends to be.
The UK is bloody freezing up until about May most years so we barely have outdoor socialising outside of lockdowns really.
brieverton
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If this virus is going to primarily affect and spread amongst the unvaccinated cohort, then as it is doing anyway, that inevitably effects those who are vaccinated also, and most particularly the immuno-compromised amongst them.
I don't understand the anti-vax people, and have zero sympathy for them. Nor do I understand how these people expect a return to "normality" on the basis that they enjoy the same privileges and access as those who have been vaccinated.
It is the vaccinated population, in the act of being vaccinated, that have brought society to the level of normality and relative freedoms it now enjoys. It's parasitical to piggy-back on that.
Why should I share space with someone unvaccinated on a train for example? I wouldn't be expected to do if they openly smoked on board, for example. It would be seen as a threat to the health and safety of fellow passengers.
What gives them the right to increase the risk for everyone else, when all it takes is two jabs?
The virus has to be kept on the run, with the risk of spread and mutation. It has to be hounded out. It's not realistic for people to expect the same type of society post-pandemic, if they are not prepared to make their individual contribution to get as close to eradicating this as is scientifically possible.
I don't understand the anti-vax people, and have zero sympathy for them. Nor do I understand how these people expect a return to "normality" on the basis that they enjoy the same privileges and access as those who have been vaccinated.
It is the vaccinated population, in the act of being vaccinated, that have brought society to the level of normality and relative freedoms it now enjoys. It's parasitical to piggy-back on that.
Why should I share space with someone unvaccinated on a train for example? I wouldn't be expected to do if they openly smoked on board, for example. It would be seen as a threat to the health and safety of fellow passengers.
What gives them the right to increase the risk for everyone else, when all it takes is two jabs?
The virus has to be kept on the run, with the risk of spread and mutation. It has to be hounded out. It's not realistic for people to expect the same type of society post-pandemic, if they are not prepared to make their individual contribution to get as close to eradicating this as is scientifically possible.
Mate, flu is something that can be transmitted all year round too. Again, it's all about social conditions.
As you'll notice our lockdowns have tended to ease around May onwards thus far.
I believe one of the major worries for the winter is from other infections that we largely avoided due to the previous lockdowns - weakening our immune response.
Why we are preparing for a worst-case scenario winter season – UK Health Security Agency
Alongside COVID-19 there remain other serious threats that stretch our health and social care services every year. Right now, to ensure we plan for these as well as for the continuing pandemic, our attention is on autumn and winter, ensuringpublichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk
That said there are reports that the gov is planning firebreak lockdowns to deal with both the above and Covid spikes, as per the below.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/c...plans-firebreak-lockdowns-over-winter-1140135
Outside of an escape mutation, it is most likely that the young (not vaccinated or just a single dose), and those not vaccinated by choice or because of health issues will be most affected. The Chamber of Business is lobbying the gov to put a strategy in place in readiness for this scenario.
‘Business Needs Government to Produce an Autumn/Winter Strategy for Covid’ - BCC Director General
Speaking to BBC Breakfast this morning, Shevaun Haviland called on government to bring forward a Covid strategy for the coming months, as well as contingency planning for the possibility of a variant evading the vaccine.She said: “What we’d really like to see is a contingency plan in place that...www.britishchambers.org.uk
Fortunately everybody will have had the offer to have both jabs by the end of September. Obviously those that still need to get their second (my sister among them) will have to wait a bit longer. I'd have had my second already if not for having COVID and having to push it back - due for it on Sept 1st.
I still think the above is also a huge reason as to why there's definitely been a push for young people to get out and about and, while the main thing is vaccination, a big part of that has been well, they'll also probably catch COVID.
I know, it sounds ridiculous, but you're going to have a huge chunk of the younger population heading into winter with the following:
- 2 doses
- 1 dose, 2nd to come
- both doses and 'natural immunity' from having had COVID (that'll be me)
- 1 dose, and natural immunity, 2nd dose to come
Now, it's not to say they won't get it again, but we know that a combination of the above basically offer a lot of protection. Young people getting COVID through the summer (some getting ill, some not) will mean that with vaccines on top they are much less likely to get it in the winter or get ill from it.
I look at my immediate friends here (all aged 24-26)
A sample of 17, I think 13 have now been double jabbed. Two more will be this week and I will be the last one because of having to push my second date back.
A quick count, there's going to be 9 of us who have had COVID and in total 5 of us caught it in the same 3-week period in July. We all had differing symptoms to differing severity, but none of us came close to needing hospital and, relatively speaking, were back to normal within a few days. In fact with all of us, the range of testing positive was 5 days and the actual symptoms lasted between 3 and 5 days for each of us.
It's not to say it's not serious, but that's just one friend group that I'm thinking of off the top of my head numbers wise. Expand that out across the younger population and it paints a pretty thorough picture.
grandjoeblue
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Masks are currently no longer a thing in the UK and I have no major issue with vaccinated people not being masked. I would also support a law where anti vaxxers are forced to mask up in all indoor settings.
NilSatisOptimum
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Makes little difference many parts of world literally have no vaccines to give. Until this is rectified in reality the anti vax and their stance is miniscule risk compared to those who can't get a vaccine. We have gone to far to quick with loosening of restrictions.
NilSatisOptimum
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Your as bad as anti vax as far as I'm concerned, still plenty of immune compromised people fully vaccinated who will overwhelm the NHS and ICUs if this virus continues to be allowed to run amok. Hence why Covid wards are thing again with vaccinated people filling them up.
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