Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Wonder if everyone of these mushrooms on here calling out people for not behind jabbed regularly give blood?

I’ve been double jabbed by the way, however I don’t judge anyone in the slightest if they don’t want to.

The issue is the following: a small percentage of the unvaccinated population has a legitimate medical reason for not getting jabbed. A larger percentage of the unvaccinated population is choosing not to get vaccinated because some idiot right-wing social media post told them not to. Being unvaccinated due to a medical condition is a lot different from being unvaccinated due to a massive disinformation campaign that puts everyone else at risk and prolongs the pandemic. So yeah, I definitely feel the latter can take a little flack for being either uninformed or willfully clinging to misinformation for political purposes.
 
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Probably worth a read in light of some of the posts being put up.


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Also an interesting analysis of the roots of the anti-vaxx movement - 2018

 
The issue is the following: a small percentage of the unvaccinated population has a legitimate medical reason for not getting jabbed. A larger percentage of the unvaccinated population is choosing not to get vaccinated because some idiot right-wing social media post told them not to. Being unvaccinated due to a medical condition is a lot different from being unvaccinated due to a massive disinformation campaign that puts everyone else at risk and prolongs the pandemic. So yeah, I definitely feel the latter can take a little flack for being either uninformed or willfully clinging to misinformation for political purposes.
That’s their choice though weather they want to or not. They will have their own reasons and it should be respected.

Should everyone be forced to give blood?
 
That’s their choice though weather they want to or not. They will have their own reasons and it should be respected.

Should everyone be forced to give blood?

No, not when their reasons are based on misinformation and they can harm others by their choice.

Giving blood is not harming anyone. Not getting vaccinated has the potential to increase the spread of the virus to children, elderly, and immuno-cormpromised, to increase the number of hospital visits, and to increase the duration of hospital visits, among other things.

But on the topic of giving blood, people tend to do it more often when society needs it (e.g. major disasters), but what would happen if some right-wing shitboxes started pushing some nonsense about how giving blood allows George Soros to inject bovine sperm into your blood--the politicized right-wing easily-persuaded folks would stop giving blood and people could die as a result of this misinformation. This is what's going on at a much larger scale with the anti-vax Covid nonsense in many cases (barring medical reasons).

But more generally, giving blood isn't a good analogy to not getting vaxxed.
 
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Yet to be peer reviewed and small sample size but encouraging data suggesting that in addition to being less likely to be infected if exposed compared to the unvaccinated, if the vaccinated are infected they are still less likely to transmit to others.
Results The delta variant (B.1.617.2) was identified in the majority of cases. Despite similar Ct-values, we demonstrate lower probability of infectious virus detection in respiratory samples of vaccinated HCWs with breakthrough infections compared to unvaccinated HCWs with primary SARS-CoV-2 infections. Nevertheless, infectious virus was found in 68.6% of breakthrough infections and Ct-values decreased throughout the first 3 days of illness.
Conclusions We conclude that rare vaccine breakthrough infections occur, but infectious virus shedding is reduced in these cases.
 
"worst-case" isn't probable. It's "possible".

You've weirdly got everything upside-down these last few posts.
You have rejected the hypothesis that the vaccinated cohort is more infectious than the unvaccinated cohort.

Given this, the vaccinated cohort is either as infectious or less infectious.

Meaning out of the states possible, the worst possible state is that the vaccinated cohort is *as* infectious as the unvaccinated cohort.

You have *not* rejected the hypothesis that the unvaccinated cohort is more infectious than the vaccinated one.

Given this, the unvaccinated cohort is either as infectious or more infectious (you’ve rejected the notion that the unvaccinated cohort can be less infectious).

Meaning the best state for the unvaccinated cohort is they are *as* infectious as the vaccinated one.
 
Can't recall anyone from our year in school back in 1997, swerving their BCG because they were worried a chip would be implanted, so Alan Sugar could monitor them from his Amstrad computer.

Weird species these anti-vaxxers.
I think a lot of folk hark back to their schooldays and cringe at the thought of "injections".
Personally, I'll take everything that's going - flu jabs, pills, lotions, powders etc. Anything that keeps me on the road a bit longer.
 
The government should mandate vaccination now so that the impact in winter is minimised. If we have 100 deaths a day in August, its likely that we'll struggle in the winter.

These anti vaxxers are going to cause additional lockdowns with their crazy stance.

Calm down Joe its all good.

Covid isn't a seasonal virus so winter wont make that much of a bigger deal.

You'll no doubt get a repeat of last year though come September when the super spreaders at Uni go back to campus it goes like wildfire into the months of October+

Vaccines should still have an effect though although I imagine it'll be back to face masks in winter.
 
Calm down Joe its all good.

Covid isn't a seasonal virus so winter wont make that much of a bigger deal.

You'll no doubt get a repeat of last year though come September when the super spreaders at Uni go back to campus it goes like wildfire into the months of October+

Vaccines should still have an effect though although I imagine it'll be back to face masks in winter.

It's gonna come and go in little waves like any other bug because that's what COVID now is.

Before anyone starts, I don't mean that it's any less serious, I just mean in how it acts in spreading through the population. Like we saw with Delta in June/July and then suddenly had the drop off despite all the forecasts of doom.

Which is why it's so important people are vaccinated against it.
 
That’s their choice though weather they want to or not. They will have their own reasons and it should be respected.

Should everyone be forced to give blood?
That's fine, it's true.

But they make a choice not to have it, and that choice has consequences.

There you go. That's your freedom. You have the freedom to make the choice.

I understood initial concerns. I still understand concerns of some people who have medical issues or pregnant people etc (though now they are saying it is safe but before doing the tests they didn't know that).

But now, those initial concerns have been proven false. And this thing makes everyone safer.

I go off my personal and family experience from a month or so back.

I was bad. I'm 26, fit, eat healthy, don't smoke. Had one jab. Was knocked for six by COVID. And only in this last week have I recovered in terms of getting close to what my fitness was before COVID, too.

My sister and her fiance, who hadn't had their first jabs at the time but are now booked in, were awful with it, and only just getting back to normal.

My dad, 65, with COPD, had both of his jabs, and luckily was only ill for about 2 days but is still having trouble with getting his fitness back (and he's healthy and active for his age).

My mum, 58, had two jabs, was around four people in the same house who were all ill with COVID at the same time, and didn't get infected.

The vaccines help. In my dad's case, they might well have saved his life.

Another one - I have a neighbour, he's in his 50s, drinks like it's going out of fashion, he must be 20-25 stone.

He was in the ICU due to COVID a few weeks ago. The vaccines saved his life. He needed oxygen, because he's so unfit, but if he hadn't had been vaccinated, he'd have died, no doubt about it.
 
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