I think they're going for both but they need to ensure the vaccine roll out gets done, and the hesitancy rates go down.
I'm just surprised they don't already have it done, that's the issue.
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I think they're going for both but they need to ensure the vaccine roll out gets done, and the hesitancy rates go down.
I'm just surprised they don't already have it done, that's the issue.
tsubaki
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It is hard to say it will not work when they’ve had less deaths *and* less lockdown than we have.
TN Toffee
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Unless their plan is to literally never reopen their borders, then it’s very easy to say it won’t work because no other country on the planet (aside from maybe Australia) has pursued an elimination strategy. At whatever point they allow anyone in from the outside, they’re eventually going to have to deal with it on some level.
tsubaki
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they have been dealing with it though, far better than we have
TN Toffee
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In the early days, I agree 100%. I remember last March/April, Dr. Fauci giving a press conference here in the US about the steps of fighting a pandemic. The first one is containment, and if that fails, you then move on to mitigation. NZ did so well at the outset that they really never had to move beyond the containment phase, and as such, haven’t really had to deal with the virus really having a presence in the country. Nowhere else in the world did so well, so mitigation is all we have left. Unless NZ decides to cease being a part of the global community, eventually they are going to have to live with the presence of the actual virus just like the rest of us. Locking themselves away from the world and waiting until the virus is gone simply isn’t an option, because it’s never going away.
This is about the future though, when they aren't quite literally isolating as an entire country from the outside world.
It can work if they eliminate it and then have their population fully vaxed before opening their borders (even to fully vaxed people), but their roll out has been a struggle and as I have a vested interest in the place I like to keep track and it's still imo nowhere near what it should be for a country of their relative wealth, population size and healthcare ability to be able to roll it out.
This is what I mean. We're 18 months in, and we're eight months into the vaccines being available. Even if they'd started fully in April time, they could have had their population fully done now (and perhaps would have faced less hesitancy too?)
That's my only issue. That they shouldn't be going into a snap week-long lockdown for one case at this stage, given they've had so much time to get the roll out done. And had they got it done, they wouldn't have needed to.
I'm a big fan of the NZ PM, she's had some awful stuff to deal with and each time done it very well. But that's just how I see that situation.
It may well have been successful in the past, but it will not be successful in future unless you are happy to have lots of future lockdowns, or believe that covid will be extinguished entirely from the world at some point in the near future.
I don't want any more lockdowns of any kind and don't believe they are justified in the current situation with vaccines. I also do not believe the virus will ever be fully eliminated from society. It only takes 2 or 3 cases to potentially spread it again at any time.
Can only say that NZ are lucky they're a small country with a very particular economy.
Those saying they're handling this right and the UK should have done the same thing... sorry but you just don't understand what the consequences would have been. We aren't New Zealand.
Those saying they're handling this right and the UK should have done the same thing... sorry but you just don't understand what the consequences would have been. We aren't New Zealand.
tsubaki
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It will always be more successful than our approach is.
grandjoeblue
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Nonsense. A prison state isn't the answer.
Its not a competition to get zero deaths which Aus and New Zealand seem to think it is. The countries that are now living normal lives are what the majority deem to be successful.
If you are happy to accept regular lockdowns then fine, but I am not, and the overwhelming vast majority of the public are not. It's totally unsustainable.
tsubaki
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we’ve been in prison far longer than they have though
tsubaki
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again, they’ve had less lockdowns than we have
grandjoeblue
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UK lockdowns are a thing of the past.
The UK isn't ideal I agree but its much better than these two countries. For example, all PCR testing to travel abroad should be cancelled. You do not need to be tested just to get on a plane.
tsubaki
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They might not be, and to be honest if you think we’ve handled this much better than they have I don’t really think an argument based on observable facts is possible.
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