Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Now we are getting down to it, Why did they prioritise covid? Why stop/reduce treating other diseases to treat covid, GPs stopped seeing patients and were attempting to diagnose over the phone, people suffering from depression and other mental health problems had to stay at home and had to make do with greatly reduced contact which is the exact opposite of what would be advised for someone with fragile mental health to do.
The true scale of the overreaction will begin to be seen in a few years and I'm fully convinced that there will be people on here that are arguing with me now saying this should never have been allowed to happen..

All those confititions don’t exist in a vacuum, if you are in the middle of a Covid surge in an acute hospital and an acute community surge and having an outpatient daily Chemotherapy clinic. The risks are massive. We’re talking life and death here. Chemothearpy suppresses the immune system. It’s not like you rock up in an A/E and are triage, told to join the Covid que as a priority, while everyone else is sent home.

Im thinking of some Chemo and Radio therapy centres I know, most are community based if you have a surge in the hospital you are bringing people into contact with it, while also community based, you bring people in from many communities through an infected acute setting, to sit for hours side by side, if one has Covid - that’s a life threatening risk.

The above is just remedial health care risk assessment - it’s actually far more complex then that. Actually activating that risk assessment from a project management point of view is far more complex. It’s like this take Legs data above, 40% of bed cohort taken up with Covid, imagine someone increased your workload by 40% overnight.Then said work load had to be segregated from all your other workload as to ensure your already increased workload didn’t double again next week, oh and by the way you may get sick yourself and die. By the way the 40% figure is conservative to what we had to deal with last winter, it was horrific, the daily suffering witnessed will stay long in the mind, you talk about mental health issues, the level of trauma and lack of wellbeing experienced in health care settings during this I have no doubt will lead to Heath problems for health care workers in the future.

I can’t tell you how frustrating it is after working through waves of this, breaking bad news, trying to give comfort, managing surges and risk, witnessing suffering for patients and families, that people pick apart the work done, sacrifices made and wellbeing impacted. I can gairemtee you if you turned up where I work with Covid or someone close to you, you would want to be prioritised, you would want my team to take it seriously. Peopleare board, but I see more and more people becoming self entitled with “my expieremce of the pandemic” - largely people were asked to watch Netflix, they weren’t exposed to daily trauma of those suffering, dying and the grief of their families. Their opinions now are based on how bored they are as opposed to that trauma. That’s what “living with Covid is”. Every single step of adhering to restrictions makes a difference, it’s not much when you weigh it against the impact and suffering.

The health service is a subjective often assumed right people like to think will always be there to protect them, this isn’t and hasn’t always been the case - we’ve been so close to collapse so many times since this it’s a miracle it’s hasn’t. The entire population and I mean Ireland here have no idea how many bullets they have dodged and how many services were 24 hours from not being able to open or stop taking admissions, gladly this only happened on a couple of occasions.

For those who were and still are, once we deal with this Delta surge we’re facing into huge back logs of acute care, that kept as many as we could safe. But we’re looking at next Spring for that, because I can tell you with racing certainty, the current surge in mild to what we will have in the winter gaurenteed. So enjoy what you can of the summer and the relaxing at the moment.
 
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All those confititions don’t exist in a vacuum, if you are in the middle of a Covid surge in an acute hospital and an acute community surge and having an outpatient daily Chemotherapy clinic. The risks are massive. We’re talking life and death here. Chemothearpy suppresses the immune system. It’s not like you rock up in an A/E and are triage, told to join the Covid que as a priority, while everyone else is sent home.

Im thinking of some Chemo and Radio therapy centres I know, most are community based if you have a surge in the hospital you are bringing people into contact with it, while also community based, you bring people in from many communities through an infected acute setting, to sit for hours side by side, if one has Covid - that’s a life threatening risk.

The above is just remedial health care risk assessment - it’s actually far more complex then that. Actually activating that risk assessment from a project management point of view is far more complex. It’s like this take Legs data above, 40% of bed cohort taken up with Covid, imagine someone increased your workload by 40% overnight.Then said work load had to be segregated from all your other workload as to ensure your already increased workload didn’t double again next week, oh and by the way you may get sick yourself and die. By the way the 40% figure is conservative to what we had to deal with last winter, it was horrific, the daily suffering witnessed will stay long in the mind, you talk about mental health issues, the level of trauma and lack of wellbeing experienced in health care settings during this I have no doubt will lead to Heath problems for health care workers in the future.

I can’t tell you how frustrating it is after working through waves of this, breaking bad news, trying to give comfort, managing surges and risk, witnessing suffering for patients and families, that people pick apart the work done, sacrifices made and wellbeing impacted. I can gairemtee you if you turned up where I work with Covid or someone close to you, you would want to be prioritised, you would want my team to take it seriously. Peopleare board, but I see more and more people becoming self entitled with “my expieremce of the pandemic” - largely people were asked to watch Netflix, they weren’t exposed to daily trauma of those suffering, dying and the grief of their families. Their opinions now are based on how bored they are as opposed to that trauma. That’s what “living with Covid is”. Every single step of adhering to restrictions makes a difference, it’s not much when you weigh it against the impact and suffering.

The health service is a subjective often assumed right people like to think will always be there to protect them, this isn’t and hasn’t always been the case - we’ve been so close to collapse so many times since this it’s a miracle it’s hasn’t. The entire population and I mean Ireland here have no idea how many bullets they have dodged and how many services were 24 hours from not being able to open or stop taking admissions, gladly this only happened on a couple of occasions.

For those who were and still are, once we deal with this Delta surge we’re facing into huge back logs of acute care, that kept as many as we could safe. But we’re looking at next Spring for that, because I can tell you with racing certainty, the current surge in mild to what we will have in the winter gaurenteed. So enjoy what you can of the summer and the relaxing at the moment.
You are right we are talking life and death, but it seems to be the case that whatever choice is made it's life and death.. I can only speak for myself here but if I had cancer I'd rather take my chances with catching covid and have my treatment continue uninterrupted than have treatment delayed and die screaming in a few years.
 
You are right we are talking life and death, but it seems to be the case that whatever choice is made it's life and death.. I can only speak for myself here but if I had cancer I'd rather take my chances with catching covid and have my treatment continue uninterrupted than have treatment delayed and die screaming in a few years.

You wouldn’t have been treated for your cancer; they wouldn’t have been able to treat you because the hospitals would have been even more full than they were. That is the point people are trying to get you to understand.
 
You are right we are talking life and death, but it seems to be the case that whatever choice is made it's life and death.. I can only speak for myself here but if I had cancer I'd rather take my chances with catching covid and have my treatment continue uninterrupted than have treatment delayed and die screaming in a few years.

Do you have expierence of someone being denied cancer treatment due to Covid?

I work in the area and I don’t.
 
NSW Premier has just been asked - how long will you wait before imposing an outright curfew in the areas where people are not taking the lockdown seriously...shes dancing around the answer, seems to me she'd like too but doesn't fancy the backlash and keeps...quite rightly...pushing the vaccination mantra.
But some, enough, people are taking no notice of the spirit of the law.
I can hardly blame them really, considering it's 18 months into this thing and Aus regions are still doing snap lockdowns.

I know it's not on them to have sorted the vaccinations out - it's on the fed gov - but it's pathetic that it's even having to happen.

Just like it was pathetic we needed three full on lockdowns over here, like.
 
New York. lol

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imagine kicking someone out for coughing :D
 
Do you have expierence of someone being denied cancer treatment due to Covid?

I work in the area and I don’t.
I disagree with a lot of the arguments the other poster whose raised this conversation initially put forward . I do however have two people close to me who have both had very late diagnosis due to the entire covid situation. One who died during one of the lockdowns and one who is in treatment at the moment for an incurable condition that his wife believes might be different if it wasn’t for covid . Is she right I don’t really know enough and without going into graphic details unfortunately it feels like covid played it’s played it’s part in both of their situations.
 
It's been well publicised at this stage.
Cancer screening is the main backlogged services, that’s not necessarily people who have cancer but people who go for annual Brest, cervical and bowel screening. These are preventive and early detection processes not necessarily active cancer patients.

Ive had expirerencs over the winter of someone with a history of one of the above who needed urgent assessment and it happened with in days from GP to acute assessment.

Marie Keating and the ICS do wonderful work, but they are advocacy services, the comments are their remit, they have also as non for profits been hit with huge fundraising devoted as a lot of the fundraising landscape has gone to frontline and hospitals.

To be frank thag prices isn’t inductive or a fair reflection of service provision, it’s a really poor sensationlist price, that doesn’t ring through In the bare bones of the article nor in reality.

If people aren’t receiving cancer intervention there would be a national outcry. Was listening to the radio this morning, they had some lad on giving out about the Kerry county team and tatoos, was thinking we must be doing well if this is a concern for people!
 
Cancer screening is the main backlogged services, that’s not necessarily people who have cancer but people who go for annual Brest, cervical and bowel screening. These are preventive and early detection processes not necessarily active cancer patients.

Ive had expirerencs over the winter of someone with a history of one of the above who needed urgent assessment and it happened with in days from GP to acute assessment.

Marie Keating and the ICS do wonderful work, but they are advocacy services, the comments are their remit, they have also as non for profits been hit with huge fundraising devoted as a lot of the fundraising landscape has gone to frontline and hospitals.

To be frank thag prices isn’t inductive or a fair reflection of service provision, it’s a really poor sensationlist price, that doesn’t ring through In the bare bones of the article nor in reality.

If people aren’t receiving cancer intervention there would be a national outcry. Was listening to the radio this morning, they had some lad on giving out about the Kerry county team and tatoos, was thinking we must be doing well if this is a concern for people!
Everything is an outcry at the moment, there'll be an outcry if schools go back in September there'll be an outcry if they don't go back. There is an outcry over electric picnic not going ahead there'd be outcry if it was granted a licence. As you say there will be high cases in winter but do you think it will lead to hospitals being overwhelmed with covid patients? Or will we see loads in hospital with other ailments broken leg, concussion or any number of things that can send you to hospital only to test positive for covid while in hospital? And have no covid symptoms which is what we are told the vaccines will do stop you being sick or have only mild symptoms.
 
Seen a story in the news about a family of 3 in Cardiff. All three were anti vaxxers and all three have now died of covid.


If you are above the age of 40 and you have not had a vaccine you are absolutely mental. 70 year olds walking about without a vaccine when everyone has been locked up to keep you safe for 18 months.

Vaccine or no entry to all indoor venues. If needs be only offer deliveries to the anti vaxxer lunatics for food.
 
The man has been in a wheelchair for decades and still has no conscience or compassion for other people’s needs. Absolute sociopath just like all the others.
That man in a wheelchair sued the homeowner and tree service for a tree falling on him and causing his paralysis. He's still, IIRC, to this day being paid 6-figures annually in the settlement. Fair enough, I suppose, for his injuries.

More to the point, he supported legislation making it more difficult for someone who might happen to go through the exact same scenario to sue and receive the same level of award/settlement. Legislation that is now law in Texas.

Dude is all class.
 
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