tsubaki
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we have more deaths from respiratory viruses than they do
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we have more deaths from respiratory viruses than they do
ForeverBlue92
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Because they live in fear of their own governments and are controlled/severely restricted.
You wouldn't last 2 seconds under the Chinese or Vietnamese Governments mate.
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I defy anyone who has ever been there to agree with this statement. It's the most free-market capitalist place I have ever been if you get an hour out of Beijing.
Toffee in Jandals
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Absolutely, and to agree with @tsubaki the likes of Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Malaysia are international hubs to a far greater extent than the United Kingdom and have controlled the pandemic a heck of a lot better over the past eighteen months.
tsubaki
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somewhat telling that you took the countries mentioned, ignored them, and then added two other countries in order to make a point that you got wrong anyway
Doing the same thing over and over again would just be doing continued restrictions would it not? Because they don't work either - as soon as you lift them, even gradually, there's peaks.
Or have I just missed the last few pandemics which have popped along?
Does it?
Every variant so far hasn't 'beat the vaccines'? And they've been developing booster vaccines for months too.
tsubaki
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It would, which is why we need to actually learn from this. Lockdowns are a consequence of not having a working system to cope with these things; we need to get one.
they have done, I don't dispute that - they have done it by harsher lockdowns and I for one think our lockdowns were harsh enough. People calling for them to be harsher are mad. The last two were crap, awful, properly depressing. They didn't need to be any harsher. The first one was bad, but it was obviously a different time in that sense of it being new and the whole world came to a stop.
The UK lockdowns were definitely not timed right, and that was the main issue, but why people - and it's always the same people - get some hard on over wanting harsher restrictions baffles me.
I'm just waiting for the next pandemic. It might be in 5 years, it might be in 60. Might be in 150. They aren't 10 a penny.
We've got the vaccines which are, whatever you keep banging on about, the main tool to get out of this initially and get COVID down to a common illness level which doesn't overwhelm healthcare systems and also boosts people's immune systems so they, more often than not, don't suffer badly when they have it or even for too long after.
Should we then have a system on top of that to control individual outbreaks? Yeah. But I don't see anywhere that's got one yet.
Suppose it depends on how you class 'long covid'
I'm still struggling when I exercise, and so is my mate who had it before me. Another of my mates who had it around that time is fine, and I haven't know anyone who has had it who has suffered longer than the duration they were actually ill.
But I wouldn't count myself as having 'long covid' because it's only a week since I felt better. So I'm probably just still getting my body back in working order. Also had 6 days off any strenuous exercise so that won't have helped.
If I still feel like this in a month then I'm not sure, but I'm not getting any massive bouts of fatigue and even after my run today - which was more than a struggle than it should have been - I spent a lot less time being knackered after, whereas on Thursday I was shot for nearly an hour after a ride, for example.
ForeverBlue92
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Bet you get a few crafty kids trying it on in PE in the coming years "sir I've got a note from my ma I cant do PE today got long covid" lol
That wasn’t how I viewed it, good article here on what happened/is happening in HK, Singapore and Taiwan. At least prior to Delta they had managed to avoid a lot of the lockdowns we suffered in Europe/USA.
What we can learn from the “second wave” of coronavirus cases in Asia
Hong Kong, Singapore, and Taiwan show the challenges of fighting this pandemic.
www.vox.com
Singapore has about the same fully vaccinated (57%) and more partially vaccinated (75 vs 70%) currently
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html and are also planning a “live with it” rather than a “Zero Covid” strategy, they are just doing it whilst relying on more tools than vaccination alone. Obviously they have a significant advantage with their size but I still think we can learn some things from their approach.
Singapore and the UK are both planning to 'live with Covid.' They are worlds apart on how to do that
More than a year and a half into the coronavirus pandemic, the world's rich nations are beginning to accept that Covid-19 is not going away -- despite high vaccination rates drastically cutting the number of hospitalizations and deaths.
www.cnn.com
That wasn’t how I viewed it, good article here on what happened/is happening in HK, Singapore and Taiwan. At least prior to Delta they had managed to avoid a lot of the lockdowns we suffered in Europe/USA.
Instead of widespread lockdowns, these places relied on tools such as robust testing, contact tracing to identify people who came in contact with infected people and may have been exposed to the virus, mass surveillance, isolation of the ill, and stringent travel restrictions. It wasn’t exactly life as normal, but it wasn’t a total shutdown, either.What we can learn from the “second wave” of coronavirus cases in Asia
Hong Kong, Singapore, and Taiwan show the challenges of fighting this pandemic.
Singapore has about the same fully vaccinated (57%) and more partially vaccinated (75 vs 70%) currently
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html and are also planning a “live with it” rather than a “Zero Covid” strategy, they are just doing it whilst relying on more tools than vaccination alone. Obviously they have a significant advantage with their size but I still think we can learn some things from their approach.
Singapore and the UK are both planning to 'live with Covid.' They are worlds apart on how to do that
More than a year and a half into the coronavirus pandemic, the world's rich nations are beginning to accept that Covid-19 is not going away -- despite high vaccination rates drastically cutting the number of hospitalizations and deaths.
They did rely heavily on surveillance contact tracing etc which was already set up at the start of it - we didn't have that. There is definitely a cultural difference which was in certain places before COVID that wasn't in the west generally speaking. Now it is, though I don't think it'll ever be as readily accepted here as there. IMO, that is 'harsher' measures, but yes you're right, perhaps not harsher lockdowns (though I remember Thailand shutting down everything Bangcock for one case in December time)
It's worth noting, there was nothing about consent there with those tracing measures. I remember reading at the time last March that Singapore were basically just doing it automatically and the concern was privacy etc. But it clearly worked and as many have said, those countries had experience. So yes, we do need to learn from them.
So having a system like that in place is fine going forward, I'm not against that as such, because we have the basic idea of one now so people are used to it.
I'm not into that being used regularly though. It can be there and ready to go, maybe used for localised measures of tracing etc, but vaccination is still the main chunk. I've never said it was the only one, but I have always firmly believed it is in the main way out of this. It is for every other virus. If this one suddenly acts so differently then we need to be looking deeper at how its come about. I don't believe it will, btw, as I'm not into conspiracies like that. But if it does, if it suddenly acts unlike any other virus and a variant emerges that is entirely, 100% immune to all of the vaccines and their boosters, then there's other questions to be asked.
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