Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Moomin]

Various parts of Australia have been in horrendous lockdowns for large periods of time.

Covid will still be here in 50 year times. Its now very clear that life has to return to normal and that the zero covid policies are impossible.

I still find mask policy in the UK very odd. The other night I went the cinema, a restaurant and a pub and I didn't put a mask on the whole night, I didn't see anyone in any of the places with a mask. The next day I went to a shop to buy milk, mask required and signs everywhere. Scientifically it just doesn't align.

You saying a mask doesn't provide any protection?

 

[grandjoeblue]

You saying a mask doesn't provide any protection?

I'm saying its mad you can sit in a rammed pub for 4 hours without one but then you need one to pop into a shop to buy milk.

 

[Moomin]

I'm saying its mad you can sit in a rammed pub for 4 hours without one but then you need one to pop into a shop to buy milk.

Is a bit random. Just spent the last few days in Edinburgh and a mask is required at every place.

Their track and trace seems better and was enforced by every location

 

[Brennan]

I'm saying its mad you can sit in a rammed pub for 4 hours without one but then you need one to pop into a shop to buy milk.

Its not mad.

Wearing a mask helps to stop spreading the disease to others. If you accept that assertion then you must logically accept that wearing a mask in the supermarket will help to stop some of the spread of Covid.

The fact that you can go to other places and not wear a mask doesn’t make the above untrue. Its not an all or nothing scenario.

Also, if people don’t feel comfortable being surrounded by others not wearing masks then they can avoid pubs, cinemas, etc. But it’s pretty hard to avoid going to the shops, so it seems like a fair compromise to me that people wear masks in that setting.

 

[roydo]

As well as voluntarily mask wearing, I noticed yesterday that voluntary SD is still happening with only a few people being in the smaller shops. There was a short, SD queue outside the butchers when I drove past; similar at the Post Office.

And deffo still in Sainsburys.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Meanwhile, their governor signed an order today that cuts off state funding to any school district that implants a mask mandate when school starts in the next couple weeks.

 

[BlueStevie35]

No hospital figures reported today, last Sunday’s late revealed total was 14

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 65 deaths were announced today, down 6 on yesterday and up 37 on last Sunday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 80.14

For the 60 day cut off, 69 deaths were announced today, down 12 on yesterday and up 32 on last Sunday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 86.29

 

[Mrk]

Data still looking good

 

[Deleted member 48881]

75 cases, 0 deaths, China reports today ?

 

[BlueToff]

No - I think its not a case of one or the other. Allowing this thing to spread is bad, results in bad outcomes and will (if we are unlucky enough to end up with a vaccine-resistant variant soon) put us back in lockdown again.

It's not going to happen though. Because it's draconian and ludicrous.

They're developing boosters for vulnerable groups. And if there is a variant that develops that is completely immune to vaccines, then it would mean COVID is unlike any virus ever, which would lead you to believe that it's not natural, would it not?

While we'e still getting out of COVID, then absolutely, but when we aren't out of it, then we shouldn't have restrictions.

And a country that handled it so well like Aus initially should have been able to get their vaccine rolled out to avoid having to lockdown anywhere at all.

 

[BlueToff]

75 cases, 0 deaths, China reports today ?

Tbf, they may well be by now.

I mean, it's very very very unlikely, but suppose less unlikely than when they said they'd had 4,000 deaths total or whatever it was

 

[Tipp blue]

75 cases, 0 deaths, China reports today ?

Wow haven't China done really well.. the truth may well be different but the official numbers aren't too bad. Great bunch of lads the Chinese.

 

[BlueToff]

I'm saying its mad you can sit in a rammed pub for 4 hours without one but then you need one to pop into a shop to buy milk.

Well it's all on what you decide to do.

It's easy to pop one on to go in a shop that you're in for 20 mins or less, probably.

I went to the pub yesterday and wore one because I'm only like 4 days out of isolation so I was just being safe, but I only got up to go to the toilet so it wasn't really a pain.

Also, on @roydo point, I noticed that even though you had to go to the bar in this pub to order, nobody was standing up or standing at the bar for any longer than needed, just sitting at the tables, whereas before COVID, it was a pub which would constantly have groups standing.

 

[roydo]

Well it's all on what you decide to do.

It's easy to pop one on to go in a shop that you're in for 20 mins or less, probably.

I went to the pub yesterday and wore one because I'm only like 4 days out of isolation so I was just being safe, but I only got up to go to the toilet so it wasn't really a pain.

Also, on @roydo point, I noticed that even though you had to go to the bar in this pub to order, nobody was standing up or standing at the bar for any longer than needed, just sitting at the tables, whereas before COVID, it was a pub which would constantly have groups standing.

Its just respecting each other isnt it? And the staff at the shops. If they are wearing masks to protect their customers, its really not on to not reciprocate.

No idea about pubs though, although my local seems to be SD as far as I can see. Few masks though, but its only the outdoor drinkers I see, so no big deal really.

 

[DuuuncanHadaPigeon]

It is a reflection of the age profiles of who is double jabbed as it isn't even across the population - if you split it up by the ages

Under 50s
Vaccinated 103 / 15,346 = 0.67%
Unvaccinated 1105 / 119,063 = 0.93%

Over 50s
Vaccinated 371 / 13,427 = 2.75%
Unvaccinated 196 / 2,337 = 8.39%

So in both categories the unvaccinated are more likely to end up hospitalized but it still the case that a double jabbed 80 year old is more likely to get hospitalized if they catch COVID than an unvaccinated 20 year old.

I'd guess there is also some distortion in the under 50s percentages too in that those with risk factors eg asthma are probably more likely to have been vaccinated than those who consider themselves healthy but who are the same age.

Yes it's important to break it down like you have into age groups. It is clear that to those most vulnerable from the virus, the elderly, the vaccine is clearly working. It is interesting in that over 50s group though that there has been roughly 6x as many cases.

I think the point I was trying to highlight was that while those videos can be useful, they also don't paint the full picture, it's easy to make a point when he pulls numbers out of his arse like he did, but the real story is much more nuanced.