Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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HumbleWedbetters said:
I'm due out tomorrow. Gonna play a bit of golf, I've been really tired though. Zero energy. Physical symptoms in terms of pain/aches and coughing have been minimal. You?
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I had all the symptoms at different points through the 5 days I was ill, bar sickness. Severe fatigue was day 4 into day 5.

I feel fatigued after/during exercise now (as in, more than I should do for where my fitness was beforehand), but other than that, back to normal.
 
England needs to bring forward the change to the isolation process. Ideally to the same date as Wales.

Merseyside seems to be on a real decline now based on the figures I have seen.
 
Deckard2049 said:

They really need to release the data they have on how transmissible Covid is by vaccinated people.
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How does that help?

The point isn't to make covid not transmissible, it's to severely weaken the impact it has on people who get infected.

People get ill. It's one of the only guarantees in life. Yes, it's crap to have COVID, I know from very recent experience, but I was never in any real danger from it. I was just ill. For the majority of people, it's like that even if they haven't been vaccinated. I'm glad I had my jab as clearly it will have helped negate the effects. And if I'd been able to have my second already I would have done and hopefully that would have made it even better.

But it's not really the point of it. The point is to stop COVID killing people - which the vaccines by and large do very, very well, way better than the flu jab, for example - and make it nothing more serious than a standard bug.

All releasing data like that does is feed into vaccine skeptics, IMO.
 
BlueToff said:
How does that help?

The point isn't to make covid not transmissible, it's to severely weaken the impact it has on people who get infected.

People get ill. It's one of the only guarantees in life. Yes, it's crap to have COVID, I know from very recent experience, but I was never in any real danger from it. I was just ill. For the majority of people, it's like that even if they haven't been vaccinated. I'm glad I had my jab as clearly it will have helped negate the effects. And if I'd been able to have my second already I would have done and hopefully that would have made it even better.

But it's not really the point of it. The point is to stop COVID killing people - which the vaccines by and large do very, very well, way better than the flu jab, for example - and make it nothing more serious than a standard bug.

All releasing data like that does is feed into vaccine skeptics, IMO.
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It helps because of what you see in this very thread- people calling the unvaccinated or people with Covid “walking bioweapons”. If vaccinated people can still transmit the virus to a degree it throws into question the whole planning around vaccine passports and people no longer needing to test negative.

If the point of the vaccines isn’t to massively reduce transmission then why is their a massive blame game going on around who is spreading the virus?

I should add that’s a partly rhetorical question- I know the point of the vaccine is to reduce your risk of serious illness. I just think there’s an awful lot of people who seem to think the vaccine is there to stop them from ever getting Covid and subsequently if they do catch it, it MUST be the fault of someone else- not just a natural part of life and the fact there’s an endemic virus in the populous which can’t be helped or eradicated at this point.

Tbh people won’t like it either, and you’re slightly younger than me (20’s) so I think you probably aren’t like this- but to me double vaccinated people really need to start chilling the “f” out about everybody else and trying to get on with their lives. Unless of course they think the vaccines should be stopping them from ever catching Covid? In which case, good luck to those people.

I’ll be double jabbed before the middle of September- at that point I am personally done worrying about this from a personal health point. Will I be concerned about future restrictions? Yes, but I can’t do anything about that can I. If Covid cases are on the rise and I CHOOSE to wear a mask, limit my social activity, contact with elderly relatives etc then that is my choice and I would encourage everyone to make those choices for themselves. But too many people need the government enforcing restrictions or coming out with mandates so they don’t have to make those adult choices for themselves. And too many double jabbed people are freaking out about things way beyond their control that nothing can actually be done about.
 
Deckard2049 said:
It helps because of what you see in this very thread- people calling the unvaccinated or people with Covid “walking bioweapons”. If vaccinated people can still transmit the virus to a degree it throws into question the whole planning around vaccine passports and people no longer needing to test negative.

If the point of the vaccines isn’t to massively reduce transmission then why is their a massive blame game going on around who is spreading the virus?

I should add that’s a partly rhetorical question- I know the point of the vaccine is to reduce your risk of serious illness. I just think there’s an awful lot of people who seem to think the vaccine is there to stop them from ever getting Covid and subsequently if they do catch it, it MUST be the fault of someone else- not just a natural part of life and the fact there’s an endemic virus in the populous which can’t be helped or eradicated at this point.

Tbh people won’t like it either, and you’re slightly younger than me (20’s) so I think you probably aren’t like this- but to me double vaccinated people really need to start chilling the “f” out about everybody else and trying to get on with their lives. Unless of course they think the vaccines should be stopping them from ever catching Covid? In which case, good luck to those people.

I’ll be double jabbed before the middle of September- at that point I am personally done worrying about this from a personal health point. Will I be concerned about future restrictions? Yes, but I can’t do anything about that can I. If Covid cases are on the rise and I CHOOSE to wear a mask, limit my social activity, contact with elderly relatives etc then that is my choice and I would encourage everyone to make those choices for themselves. But too many people need the government enforcing restrictions or coming out with mandates so they don’t have to make those adult choices for themselves. And too many double jabbed people are freaking out about things way beyond their control that nothing can actually be done about.
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Because the more people are vaccinated, the more likely COVID becomes weaker? If everyone is vaccinated, then the immunity within the population is greater, so COVID may be able to pass between people, but the effects of it are limited. That means less chance for it to mutate, as it will struggle to find hosts it can survive/thrive in long enough to pass on? Eventually it becomes nothing more than a bug and we don't shut down the world for bugs.

I'm not calling people walking bioweapons but everyone should get vaccinated when the time comes, barring very specific circumstances where there isn't enough evidence - but those situations are decreasing day by day.

I agree that it's crap but like you say, it's better than continued restrictions. We can't eradicate covid but the vaccines are the best shot we have of controlling it.

It's why Aus and NZ should be worried, because if not enough of their populations are vaccinated, then when they open up to travel again, then those populations will be weaker and give COVID basically a new breeding ground.

That's how I see it.
 
Deckard2049 said:
It helps because of what you see in this very thread- people calling the unvaccinated or people with Covid “walking bioweapons”. If vaccinated people can still transmit the virus to a degree it throws into question the whole planning around vaccine passports and people no longer needing to test negative.

If the point of the vaccines isn’t to massively reduce transmission then why is their a massive blame game going on around who is spreading the virus?

I should add that’s a partly rhetorical question- I know the point of the vaccine is to reduce your risk of serious illness. I just think there’s an awful lot of people who seem to think the vaccine is there to stop them from ever getting Covid and subsequently if they do catch it, it MUST be the fault of someone else- not just a natural part of life and the fact there’s an endemic virus in the populous which can’t be helped or eradicated at this point.

Tbh people won’t like it either, and you’re slightly younger than me (20’s) so I think you probably aren’t like this- but to me double vaccinated people really need to start chilling the “f” out about everybody else and trying to get on with their lives. Unless of course they think the vaccines should be stopping them from ever catching Covid? In which case, good luck to those people.

I’ll be double jabbed before the middle of September- at that point I am personally done worrying about this from a personal health point. Will I be concerned about future restrictions? Yes, but I can’t do anything about that can I. If Covid cases are on the rise and I CHOOSE to wear a mask, limit my social activity, contact with elderly relatives etc then that is my choice and I would encourage everyone to make those choices for themselves. But too many people need the government enforcing restrictions or coming out with mandates so they don’t have to make those adult choices for themselves. And too many double jabbed people are freaking out about things way beyond their control that nothing can actually be done about.
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Unfortunately some of the population seem to have become “ conditioned “ to living under restrictions and bizarrely seem to enjoy being told how to live their lives.

This then empowers them and gives them the moral right ( in their own heads ) to judge other people and criticise anyone who isn’t towing their perceived party line.

It’s going to take a lot for some of these people to ever let go.
 
COYBL25 said:
Unfortunately some of the population seem to have become “ conditioned “ to living under restrictions and bizarrely seem to enjoy being told how to live their lives.

This then empowers them and gives them the moral right ( in their own heads ) to judge other people and criticise anyone who isn’t towing their perceived party line.

It’s going to take a lot for some of these people to ever let go.
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tbf mate I don't think these two things are linked other than people who like bossing others around are still able to find something righteous to do that with (like Brexit, any election, lockdowns etc).

But, in this situation, getting vaccinated is actually the way out of restrictions, isn't it?
 
PhilM said:
DEFCON 1 Alert - The Russians are attacking. But I'm not going to tell you to take shelter because I'm scared that I will be seen as 'telling you' what to do.

I hope you've got your AR-15s at the ready too so we can shoot at the missiles.
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Ummm…it’s Arkansas. Decent chance there’s more AR-15’s than people there, and most of them probably aren’t under lock and key.
 
COYBL25 said:
Unfortunately some of the population seem to have become “ conditioned “ to living under restrictions and bizarrely seem to enjoy being told how to live their lives.

This then empowers them and gives them the moral right ( in their own heads ) to judge other people and criticise anyone who isn’t towing their perceived party line.

It’s going to take a lot for some of these people to ever let go.
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This 100%! ;)
 
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