coollino
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I have too, but i think i'm the only person I know irl who actually has lost weight, i think.
Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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I have too, but i think i'm the only person I know irl who actually has lost weight, i think.
grandjoeblue
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Article in the Telegraph today which suggests roughly 50% of current hospitalisations might not even be for COVID. Every person who enters a hospital gets tested and I suppose it makes sense that a lot are positive.
Surely it would make more sense to only count people suffering from COVID symptoms rather than anyone who tests positive? This would make the overall picture much clearer.
Surely it would make more sense to only count people suffering from COVID symptoms rather than anyone who tests positive? This would make the overall picture much clearer.
It might be difficult to disentangle the two conditions I suppose? Particularly if covid can be dangerous for those with underlying (the presence of covid may have exacerbated existing issues and that might cause people to need hospitalisation even without classic symptoms).
grandjoeblue
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Agree that there will be a certain percentage thats hard to diagnose but a decent percentage will be quite obvious say for example broken bones or patients who have had regular problems over the years with a continuous condition.
Out of the two scenarios, I’d rather they recorded too many than underestimated things. We’ve been chatting about the accuracy for ages. But you’ve got to make it as easy as possible for health professionals who are already under the cosh. You need to test everyone so it’s easier to just record the results than try to ask doctors who are under pressure to go into granular detail in recording these things for stats.
that’s fine but then we can’t scream through the roof when hospitalisations are up, saying things like ‘oh god there’ll definitely be another lockdown’
if someone goes into hospital with a heart condition but is then being put down as covid then it’s ridiculous, unless everything is then contextualised
I’m also not sure everyone should need to be tested. It clearly isn’t working as hospitals are rife with the stuff - as they’re rife with every bug. What are they testing for unless there’s covid symptoms? If someone goes into hospital with something that isn’t covid symptoms, then does their treatment change? Visitor numbers are still limited anyway, pregnant women can only have one person go with them etc. I don’t see how it actually helps because just cause someone’s got covid it doesn’t mean they won’t be treated in the same way.
to be clear, this is for things that aren’t covid symptoms. If someone’s going in with clear respiratory issues that’s completely different
grandjoeblue
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I don't think its an overly difficult thing to quickly make note of and it gives much better data on the state of the pandemic. Hospitalisations at the moment look relatively high but that may partly be due to asymptomatic people or people with other problems.
We also need more concrete data on how many double dosed people end up in hospitals with legitimate covid problems. Including everyone who tests positive in the figures doesn't help to show the great performance of the vaccine.
NilSatisOptimum
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If only numbers and statistics could cure us, please bean counters save us. Reckon they should invent a term may I suggest "Comorbidity". Edgy and out there, but it's worth a gamble.
Wouldn't you want people infected with Covid to be kept away from wards with people who don't have it?
Yes sorry that goes without saying, thhey are being anyway if they have respiratory issues.
Do hospitals have the capacity to be having one or two people in one ward and others completely full?
I think the article itself is talking about A&E outpatients here too? There obviously needs to be precautions but from my very limited experience of going to hospitals during this (once), every single precaution is being taken.
I wouldn’t mind mate but it clearly isn’t working as the majority of people seem to catch this thing on trips to hospital.
My sister definitely did as it’s the only place her and her fiancé had been when their baby was born (and they tested her twice while she was on the ward too).
I just suppose context is important if they are going to be doing it that way. If they’re testing every single person who is in for treatment then alright, but there needs to be a way of determining if it’s that they’re treating, surely?
And if someone is asymptomatic, but has say a heart condition, is the best place for them to be on a covid ward?
it’s obviously not easy for anyone involved
Was on a stag do in Blackpool this weekend. Have to see any nerves soon disappeared when four pints in the first alehouse came to less than nine quid.
Getting amongst it was most welcome
Getting amongst it was most welcome
coollino
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buy cheap pints to cheapen covids effect sounds like a good campaign for Farage and Tim Martin
PHE have started separating them as best they can - the “exclusion“ category removes those whose test date and admission date are the same on the basis these people may be those that “come in with Covid“ versus “come in due to Covid”. Of course this will also undercount those who didn’t know/test for Covid but came in because of its symptoms
Exclusion figure all cases 2216 and inclusion 3692 so still a high % admissions appear due to Covid itself, any detail on how the Telegraph calculated 50%?
Hubby has lost weight - unfortunately I appear to have picked up his castoffs
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