Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Hospital figures - 64 deaths were announced today, up 4 on yesterday and up 16 on last Friday. 41 deaths were in English hospitals, down 6 on yesterday and up 14 on last week. The 7 day rolling average rises to 49.86

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 64 deaths were announced today, down 20 on yesterday and up 15 on last Friday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 57.43

For the 60 day cut off, 72 deaths were announced today, down 17 on yesterday’s late revealed total of 89 and up 15 on last Friday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 65.71
 
Quite different in my eyes from medical trials where getting informed consent is standard practice and relatively straightforward to do but we’ll leave it there.

Well I agree in that sense Legs, but this is my point. We're all being asked to take a vaccine which was rushed through, we're all being asked to do unprecedented things. Yes, there were small trials relatively speaking during production - obviously - but a vaccine roll out like this has never been done before.
 
Oh it's hit me hard on and off today.

It's so weird how it comes and goes in waves.

Felt fine this morning except for a really tight pain in my chest. Now that pain is gone - thankfully - but I just keep getting waves of feeling really bad. I can only describe it as like a wave going through my body. I don't even know what of, it just feels awful.

I imagine it would have been much worse if I didn't have the first dose in me. Had to work today, and didn't sleep at all last night, so just glad it's cooled off a bit cause that heatwave wasn't helping any with the humidity.
 
News from Botswana. Got my first jab of pfizer today by driving across the border to SA to a hospital in a small town called Zuurust.
Never thought I would see South Africa beating Botswana in the roll out. Botswana with theoretically some of the highest reserves and such a tiny population, unable to sort this out.

People in Bots being turned away and the country topping the new active cases per capita world wide. No beds at the hospitals and people needing to pull strings to find oxygen.

does anyone know.. how much do governments pay for Pfizer or J&J? So if your population is 2.4m.. how much should it cost?
 

Most Americans who haven’t been vaccinated against COVID-19 say they are unlikely to get the shots and doubt they would work against the aggressive delta variant despite evidence they do, according to a new poll that underscores the challenges facing public health officials amid soaring infections in some states.

Among American adults who have not yet received a vaccine, 35% say they probably will not, and 45% say they definitely will not, according to a poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. Just 3% say they definitely will get the shots, though another 16% say they probably will.

What’s more, 64% of unvaccinated Americans have little to no confidence the shots are effective against variants — including the delta variant that officials say is responsible for 83% of new cases in the U.S. — despite evidence that they offer strong protection. In contrast, 86% of those who have already been vaccinated have at least some confidence that the vaccines will work.
 
Well I agree in that sense Legs, but this is my point. We're all being asked to take a vaccine which was rushed through, we're all being asked to do unprecedented things. Yes, there were small trials relatively speaking during production - obviously - but a vaccine roll out like this has never been done before.
The vaccines weren’t rushed through, all went through the standard phases and quantity of testing as are usually used to determine safety.

The differences were that there was massively more money being thrown at all of them (several still failed the clinical trials if you recall because they were not up to snuff). Once past animal trials there were a lot more volunteers for the human phases and the disease was so rampant that the sample sizes to determine safety and effectiveness were reached much sooner than usual. The manufacturing was also done in parallel to further reduce the timeline.

“The vaccines were rushed through” is one of the most pernicious lies of the anti vax movement, please don’t give it any further oxygen.
 
Been told I can come in whenever from today to get my second dose of the vax. Was there no medical recommendation with the 8 week gap or was it just to spread stock around?
 
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