Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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[AdamEFC]

France ready to make Covid passports mandatory for bars and restaurants

Prospect of new 'health pass' proving double vaccination or negative test to enter public places has already seen French jab rates rocket

www.telegraph.co.uk

It's crap, but look, it's happening

That’s not the same as what Johnson wants to implement. They’re allowing recent natural immunity and negative tests, not just solely double jabbed people.

 

[kenada_blue]

First point, absolutely, but that message is loud and clear.

Second point, because - as has been explained tons and tons of times - if we don't open up now, then we won't do until next year, spring at the earliest. On that second point, there is definitely also a push for herd immunity in that age group too at the moment. Again, I'm not saying I agree with it, but it seems clear.

Obviously, we can't guarantee anything but one thing that is clear is the vaccine is making people safer. I hate the idea of a draconian, dictatorial system which tracks stuff like this but it's quite frankly the only way out of it. The other suggestion is an even more draconian track and trace and quarantine system, which doesn't really work anyway.

I think the aim of a vaccine pass into certain places like arenas and venues and clubs etc would be so that those places wouldn't have to shut down in the winter.

The vaccines' priority is the stopping of serious illness. By and large they do that, I posted a video in here earlier today that's well worth a watch.

If there's enough natural immunity and people vaccinated, then the prevention against infection will also help.

People need to get this vaccine mate, they just have to. But the ones that now aren't have been told numerous times why they should and, some exceptions aside, still aren't getting it. I'm sorry, it's time to force people's hands. And I say that fully understanding people have genuine concerns and being firmly of the belief it cannot be mandatory.

But there's plenty of things that aren't mandatory that we have, and if not, we don't get to do certain things.

You just have to see the graphs of hospitalisations and confirmed infections.

Infection wise we're at levels pre lockdown (the 2nd wave).

Hospitalisations are a fraction of the level at that same time. Which is really the point especially when 60% are unvaccinated people.

We have to accept that it's not a case of staying clear of catching the virus, it's a case of being vaccinated and not going to hospital cos of it, which is the narrative the media doesn't go down the line on.

It's not going anywhere. Australia have the strictest lockdowns in the world for a year and are still getting 100 infections a day...when do you stop it? You can't.

The report on Israel (who have the biggest vaccinated population) showed that out of 5million people doubled jabbed, only 300 or so have been hospitalised. Something like 50 died and most had pre existing conditions.

So really...get jabbed if you can.

 

[tsubaki]

You just have to see the graphs of hospitalisations and confirmed infections.

Infection wise we're at levels pre lockdown (the 2nd wave).

Hospitalisations are a fraction of the level at that same time. Which is really the point especially when 60% are unvaccinated people.

We have to accept that it's not a case of staying clear of catching the virus, it's a case of being vaccinated and not going to hospital cos of it, which is the narrative the media doesn't go down the line on.

It's not going anywhere. Australia have the strictest lockdowns in the world for a year and are still getting 100 infections a day...when do you stop it? You can't.

The report on Israel (who have the biggest vaccinated population) showed that out of 5million people doubled jabbed, only 300 or so have been hospitalised. Something like 50 died and most had pre existing conditions.

So really...get jabbed if you can.

100 infections a day is stopping it though. You can control and contain it at that level; you can’t at 50000 a day.

 

[kenada_blue]

100 infections a day is stopping it though. You can control and contain it at that level; you can’t at 50000 a day.

You vaccinate the entire country on a lockdown, it won't eradicate the virus cos one person will still spread it vaccinated or not. So infections will shoot up regardless.

Youre basically plugging holes in a dam that's about to burst.

 

[grandjoeblue]

100 infections a day is stopping it though. You can control and contain it at that level; you can’t at 50000 a day.

Its not stopping it.

The UK have went down the correct path with the recent reopening. Arguably they have done it 4-6 weeks too early but the counter argument to that is the NHS will be busier in September/October anyway so right now is similar in terms of pressure on NHS.

The mask decision could have been pushed back a month though definitely.

 

[tsubaki]

Its not stopping it.

The UK have went down the correct path with the recent reopening. Arguably they have done it 4-6 weeks too early but the counter argument to that is the NHS will be busier in September/October anyway so right now is similar in terms of pressure on NHS.

The mask decision could have been pushed back a month though definitely.

it is stopping it, and it’s odd how you can say the UK have gone down the correct path given what’s happening in the country now

a lot of people in this country do seem to think this failure is what everyone is seeing across the world; it isn’t

 

[kenada_blue]

Its not stopping it.

The UK have went down the correct path with the recent reopening. Arguably they have done it 4-6 weeks too early but the counter argument to that is the NHS will be busier in September/October anyway so right now is similar in terms of pressure on NHS.

The mask decision could have been pushed back a month though definitely.

The main concern is hospitals being able to cope. So far...I maybe wrong but I did read hospitalisations have plateaued. But you won't really know for another couple of weeks what the damage is.

And it's nowhere near the levels pre lockdown.

 

[grandjoeblue]

it is stopping it, and it’s odd how you can say the UK have gone down the correct path given what’s happening in the country now

a lot of people in this country do seem to think this failure is what everyone is seeing across the world; it isn’t

We cannot go down the Australia and New Zealand approach. That hasn't been an option for over 12 months.

The USA has opened in a very similar fashion to ourselves with similae vaccination numbers.

The main concern is hospitals being able to cope. So far...I maybe wrong but I did read hospitalisations have plateaued. But you won't really know for another couple of weeks what the damage is.

And it's nowhere near the levels pre lockdown.

Hospitalisations will be nowhere near January levels. Areas are peaking at different times so places like Bolton and Blackburn have already seen the worst of it. The Liverpool City Region probably will in 3-4 weeks.

The NHS in some areas probably is struggling and will struggle this winter but thats not down to just covid.

 

[tsubaki]

You vaccinate the entire country on a lockdown, it won't eradicate the virus cos one person will still spread it vaccinated or not. So infections will shoot up regardless.

Youre basically plugging holes in a dam that's about to burst.

A dam burst that you’ve created because you have let it spread that far.

 

[Tramps_mate]

All the older folk have booked and been jabbed. We are now talking about 18-30 year olds who will 99.9% have access to the internet. We need to stop making excuses, the Liverpool numbers are atrocious as are the London numbers. This has nothing to do with income, this is attitude……

It is in particular areas that the highest figures are generally occurring now. Lower income. I've worked with several people from the North East over the last year, I've regularly seen photographs of parties they've had throughout the lockdowns. Like you said, its about attitude. But I'd also tie that in with intelligence based on the behaviour of some of these people..

 

[PhilM]

On work related business, I went to Whiston hospital's A&E department yesterday morning. The wait time to be seen was nine hours for some patients.

Yes, nine hours! While for the majority of the population, we might see the light at the end of the tunnel, but the NHS is still pretty darn stretched.

 

[tsubaki]

We cannot go down the Australia and New Zealand approach. That hasn't been an option for over 12 months.

The USA has opened in a very similar fashion to ourselves with similae vaccination numbers.



Hospitalisations will be nowhere near January levels. Areas are peaking at different times so places like Bolton and Blackburn have already seen the worst of it. The Liverpool City Region probably will in 3-4 weeks.

The NHS in some areas probably is struggling and will struggle this winter but thats not down to just covid.

You say “we cannot go down” their route - why? Lockdowns have twice reduced infection rates to low enough levels that outbreaks could have been containable.

We’d have had less death, less economic damage and less interruption in our lives; obviously that would also have required us to be competently run as a country though. Instead we are all being told getting people infected now is better than it happening over the winter, even though that is probably going to happen anyway.

 

[kenada_blue]

A dam burst that you’ve created because you have let it spread that far.

Every country has done a containment in different ways but all lead to the same conclusion...it'll spread

Spain is going to overtake us in terms of daily infections. Rest of Europe will catch up too. The US is doing the same.

Personally it's a case of accepting it's not going anywhere. All you can do is fight against it in terms of vaccines and general hygiene.

If not, we should just go back to permanent lockdowns.