Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[LinekersLegs]

You can hear the anger and frustration in hs voice, must be so dispiriting knowing there was a good chance the cases could be reduced

 

[BlueToff]

Ultimately as well, we have to look at ethnicity and religion – and where that coincides with vaccine uptake (or not enough).

 

[BlueToff]

France ready to make Covid passports mandatory for bars and restaurants

Prospect of new 'health pass' proving double vaccination or negative test to enter public places has already seen French jab rates rocket

www.telegraph.co.uk

It's crap, but look, it's happening

 

[peteblue]

There is a difference between not being able to afford bread to affording a golf club membership.

people on lower incomes may feel more disconnected with politics and being told what to do etc,

Rubbish, lower income is not lower intelligence, this is not politics…the jab saves your life irrespective of income….

 

[LinekersLegs]

I can understand that, but a) and b) don’t really apply in the U.K. , c) is the same whatever the income level…..

Not sure how you figure that out - for a lot of low income folks missing even one day of work can get them into a financial hole that takes a long time to climb out of.

 

[coollino]

Rubbish, lower income is not lower intelligence, this is not politics…the jab saves your life irrespective of income….

I didn't say lower intelligence?

If you were working 3 jobs, 50 hours a week, and you see others spending loads of money, of course it is possible feeling disconnected from the wider society.

If you see politicians telling you to take vaccines, it can be seen as political. You'd listen to your mates opinion much more than an ex Eton guy in a suit.

Maybe you attitude here shows the disconnect.

 

[grandjoeblue]

What do you think causes it. Low income does not mean low intelligence nor does it mean lower attitude to saving your own life…..

Quite a few factors. Some probably don't have access to internet to book, some religious reasons, some won't because of work, travel to the jab could be a problem if you don't have a car. Probably other reasons too

They seem to be opening walk in jab hubs in these places so hopefully that will help.

 

[peteblue]

Quite a few factors. Some probably don't have access to internet to book, some religious reasons, some won't because of work, travel to the jab could be a problem if you don't have a car. Probably other reasons too

They seem to be opening walk in jab hubs in these places so hopefully that will help.

All the older folk have booked and been jabbed. We are now talking about 18-30 year olds who will 99.9% have access to the internet. We need to stop making excuses, the Liverpool numbers are atrocious as are the London numbers. This has nothing to do with income, this is attitude……

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[BlueStevie35]

Hospital figures - 83 deaths were announced today, up 9 on yesterday and up 53 on last Wednesday. 68 deaths were in English hospitals, down 5 on yesterday and up 43 on last week. The 7 day rolling average rises to 45.71

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 73 deaths were announced today, down 23 on yesterday and up 24 on last Wednesday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 52.29

For the 60 day cut off, 89 deaths were announced today, down 18 on yesterday and up 23 on last Wednesday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 60.71

 

[mill]

I can understand that, but a) and b) don’t really apply in the U.K. , c) is the same whatever the income level…..

A) and b) 100% do apply here. Are you mad?

 

[Martin Alvito]

I mean that's rather more drastic than just saying you can't get in if you don't get the vaccine, isn't it?

The only way the testing thing really works is if you say it's PCR but then you charge - like they are if you go on holiday.

So maybe that will be the next u-turn/compromise?

Get the vaccine, or negative test has to be a PCR and the person has to pay for it?

But then how can that be fair, because why should someone pay for a PCR if they are actually ill or need to know for something else than just going to a club/bar?

It's all crap, it really is, but that's the world we live in now. When people were screaming last year about some people going on walks, or having the nerve to go to the beach, then this is ultimately the path we were on.

I'd rather have to show proof of vaccine status to go to a gig than never be able to go to a gig again.

I think we're talking about somewhat different things. You're concerned about people being able to go out in public and living a relatively 'normal' life.

I'm concerned about someone defrauding the NHS regarding testing and then literally killing other people by spreading a virus that is occasionally lethal.

What I'm saying is that, if it's possible to cheat on the testing and then go back to leading a 'normal' life, sooner or later someone is going to do that and get caught after bringing lethal consequences upon someone else. I can cite plenty of examples from early in the disease's run of people who should know better being that self-centered.

As a result of those events, I rather doubt that trying to internalize the externality through the cost of testing is going to stop those people.

 

[BlueToff]

I think we're talking about somewhat different things. You're concerned about people being able to go out in public and living a relatively 'normal' life.

I'm concerned about someone defrauding the NHS regarding testing and then literally killing other people by spreading a virus that is occasionally lethal.

What I'm saying is that, if it's possible to cheat on the testing and then go back to leading a 'normal' life, sooner or later someone is going to do that and get caught after bringing lethal consequences upon someone else. I can cite plenty of examples from early in the disease's run of people who should know better being that self-centered.

As a result of those events, I rather doubt that trying to internalize the externality through the cost of testing is going to stop those people.

I'm concerned about both things - but the vaccine is the solution to both issues isn't it.

But yeah, I get that point and see what you mean.

I really think it's all bloody awful but everyone is safer if everyone gets the vaccine when offered. If a step towards that means introducing something which discriminates against people who chose not to get it then that's alright with me, because unlike race, sexuality, gender, whatever, this is a choice and a choice that directly impacts other people.

 

[BlueToff]

I didn't say lower intelligence?

If you were working 3 jobs, 50 hours a week, and you see others spending loads of money, of course it is possible feeling disconnected from the wider society.

If you see politicians telling you to take vaccines, it can be seen as political. You'd listen to your mates opinion much more than an ex Eton guy in a suit.

Maybe you attitude here shows the disconnect.

I agree but if someone is listening to their mates telling them not to get the vaccine then they're an idiot, as are their mates

 

[coollino]

I agree but if someone is listening to their mates telling them not to get the vaccine then they're an idiot, as are their mates

I wouldn't really call them idiots. It's not surprising that people would turn to people they know over other option. i don't mean anti-vaxxers here, just people on the fence with it who already feel disconnected from society.

It can have a huge effect, just look at the brexit vote, a good amount of the public felt they weren't recognised by 'the elite', voted against them (in their eyes) and brexit won. these people ignored voting in any of the polls etc and now here we are.