Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tubey]

I think we probably will, the existing law has been used for ages by various interest groups to prove points and I can well imagine the anti-mask crowd will be sending people in to stores on Monday morning solely in order that everything is filmed, put online and used.

That'll happen but only insofar as to use for the optics of it. I don't think it'll ever go beyond that to any serious degree.

 

[Tubey]

But surely in this Waterstones instance, the shop are doing what they can, short of insisting it is mandatory?

It's a sensible approach (by the shop). The only question is, whether it's right for the government to do it now. I think it's a tad early, but I see the other side of the argument that masks aren't going to be mandatory forever, so there is going to be a time when people have to make their own decisions on it. Those decisions should take other people into account, obviously.

I hope that, next spring, masks only have to be worn when people feel they are helping keep other people safe if they have a bug or whatever. Hopefully that's what people have learned from it.

Bruce posted one of the major scientific reasons for opening now - the 'immunity debt'.

Winter viruses and COVID-19 could push NHS to breaking point, warns new report | Imperial News | Imperial College London

COVID-19, influenza, and the respiratory virus Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV), could push the NHS to breaking point this winter, a new report says.

www.imperial.ac.uk

There's a strong argument for opening now, alleviating some of this 'debt' during the summer/autumn months, so as to lessen the pressure in the winter.

If we kept 'locked down' to any degree, all that happens is that debt gets worse. It's what Johnson meant when he said "if we don't open up now, when do we open up", because you can't end lockdown in the winter as COVID will have an 'exit wave' around then regardless, meaning we'd be locked down until at least the Spring, and we don't know what the scenario would be then regardless.

Personally, I think they've timed this extremely well. Bizarrely, as they've screwed so much else up. Yes, we'll have hospitalisations and deaths now, but to nowhere near the degree of previous waves and it'll mean we're in a much better position from November onwards to deal with the overall situation.

 

[Charro]

Well we’ve been told our back to work model that was supposed to start on the 26th has been scrapped and we’re all still WFH for the foreseeable.

 

[navidson]

Well we’ve been told our back to work model that was supposed to start on the 26th has been scrapped and we’re all still WFH for the foreseeable.

Yep i'm in the same boat

 

[coollino]

Well we’ve been told our back to work model that was supposed to start on the 26th has been scrapped and we’re all still WFH for the foreseeable.

interesting. We're due back at the start of Sept, currently. 2 days in the office from then on.

 

[Charro]

interesting. We're due back at the start of Sept, currently. 2 days in the office from then on.

2 days in one week, 3 the next.

That’s the model they agreed upon after the original model of one week in, one week off caused quite an outrage.

They keep jumping the gun in our place and having to peddle back.

 

[BlueToff]

Bruce posted one of the major scientific reasons for opening now - the 'immunity debt'.

Winter viruses and COVID-19 could push NHS to breaking point, warns new report | Imperial News | Imperial College London

COVID-19, influenza, and the respiratory virus Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV), could push the NHS to breaking point this winter, a new report says.

www.imperial.ac.uk

There's a strong argument for opening now, alleviating some of this 'debt' during the summer/autumn months, so as to lessen the pressure in the winter.

If we kept 'locked down' to any degree, all that happens is that debt gets worse. It's what Johnson meant when he said "if we don't open up now, when do we open up", because you can't end lockdown in the winter as COVID will have an 'exit wave' around then regardless, meaning we'd be locked down until at least the Spring, and we don't know what the scenario would be then regardless.

Personally, I think they've timed this extremely well. Bizarrely, as they've screwed so much else up. Yes, we'll have hospitalisations and deaths now, but to nowhere near the degree of previous waves and it'll mean we're in a much better position from November onwards to deal with the overall situation.

Oh I agree with that. I want the reopening to go ahead on Monday.

I'm just on about the mask argument. That's all. I fully agree that Monday should go ahead as planned with everything else.

 

[degsy]

Israel are almost completely vaccinated with extremely low deaths. Worrying signs for the rest of us.

Will normality ever return?

2020-21...and maybe 2022+ are watershed years, like 1914-18 and 1939-45.
Many things will Never be the same, some might, though they maybe changed in small ways and we just don't see it anymore.
And pretty soon Covid, will become Covid Normal...then just Normal and in 5 or 10yrs we'll struggle to remember Exactly how it was.

 

[coollino]

A fair few pubs seem to be putting some restrictions in to protect their staff, such as no drinking at the bar.

You'd hope, as it tends to be regulars that drink at the bar, that people respect this but another thing for bar staff to worry about

 

[Moomin]

A fair few pubs seem to be putting some restrictions in to protect their staff, such as no drinking at the bar.

You'd hope, as it tends to be regulars that drink at the bar, that people respect this but another thing for bar staff to worry about

Seen a few Pubs on twitter saying no masks and no social diatancing like Pubs should be.

 

[Deckard2049]

Act now or NHS could be overwhelmed this winter, report warns

Report commissioned by chief scientific adviser says Covid, flu and RSV could push health service to breaking point

www.theguardian.com

The pressure and calls for a winter lockdown will be massive come the autumn.

 

[BlueToff]

BTW, there is absolutely a bug going round that isn't COVID.

Loads of people I know have been hit by it and have tested negative on PCRs.

Either the PCRs are crap, or it simply is just another bug (which happens and is part of life).

My brother-in-law has got body aches (one of the apparent symptoms of delta). He's tested negative on lateral flow and PCR.

 

[Toast]

 

[degsy]

Oh I agree with that. I want the reopening to go ahead on Monday.

I'm just on about the mask argument. That's all. I fully agree that Monday should go ahead as planned with everything else.

Here in Queensland...different I know, not the UK. Since Mar 2020, with all the care taken by people, mostly the simple stuff, hand washing etc. that we knew from our youth - coughs and sneezes spread diseases.
Even though Covid rose and fell, old 'flu flatlined and still is after 18mts

 

[grandjoeblue]

2020-21...and maybe 2022+ are watershed years, like 1914-18 and 1939-45.
Many things will Never be the same, some might, though they maybe changed in small ways and we just don't see it anymore.
And pretty soon Covid, will become Covid Normal...then just Normal and in 5 or 10yrs we'll struggle to remember Exactly how it was.

The current covid way of life is depressing. I hope that at some point normality can resume. I'm not a tin hat covid denier nutter but I do think we'll struggle to get some of the old freedoms back.

I wouldn't be surprised if they make both vaccination and regular testing mandatory at some point in the future.