Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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It doesn’t though Legs?
Hopsitalisations are still very low. Deaths even lower. They are still increasing (hospitalisations) but even in the last week the pace of the increasing has slowed down. We’re unlocking in the middle of the summer so that the strain on the NHS isn’t too much. By mid-September, at this rate, every adult in the country will have been offered both doses. Boosters on the way. School’s shutting for 6-7 weeks too. Plus the hospital stays through covid aren’t as serious - not many people are ending up on ICU wards or ventilators, most people are younger and fitter going in with this - the capacity is there to treat them as a precaution whereas at the height of the pandemic it wasn’t.
It has to be tried because if not we might as well just give up. Unfortunately that trade off, like the trade off we have of not locking down every winter or having some stupid test and trace for flu, ultimately will mean people get ill. But that’s life. It’s the trade off people accept to be able to live life and not quarantine and give up basic freedoms like leaving the house
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Knew this was coming lol
ForeverBlue92
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I wonder if the booster shots will be based on the Indian variant or still on the original strain the current vaccines are made towards?
gonetomorrow
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Strain on NHS isn't too much?
Hospitals are having to cancel vital operations. Covid cases are expected to rise to 100,000 a day according to Javid.
I'd say it's a little bit "much".
But the Tory boys basically don't care a damn about protecting the NHS.
I’d guess they’ll do it with the newest dominant variant in mind, like the flu jab
What’s your solution? Keep us locked down?
The NHS is always - always - at breaking point. It’s an emergency service. Every healthcare system in the world operates at about 90% capacity all of the time.
They need to stop cancelling vital operations, but that doesn’t mean we lock down again.
If we don’t try and open up now, we genuinely might as well never do
the goalposts keep getting changed. Baseline, 10-30 deaths a day in a country of 58m (England) is not enough to justify not opening up.
The NHS is a service which performs non emergency treatment, it is not just an “emergency service”.
But these non-emergency treatments and appointments can often lead to the diagnosis of life changing ailments. Such as cancer screening. That is not classed as an “emergency service”.
You are simply throwing out sound bites in response to Legs posting actual feedback from the frontline in hospitals. Who are you to say they’ve got it under control ?
As for “keep us locked down”, what lol
We haven’t been in lockdown for months. What some people are suggesting is that perhaps removing all other restrictions at once is perhaps not the smartest move when we are already seeing a significant increase in cases.
Why for example do nightclubs have to open with zero entry restrictions eg negative test ? Are nightclubs more important to our society than a functioning NHS ?
Nobody seems to have a good answer and is just saying “it needs to be done” and “people have had enough”.
grandjoeblue
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Hospitals will always be at this level of pressure due to under investment in the NHS. Right now covid hospitalisations are a couple of thousand across the whole of England. A national health service should be quite capable to cope with those numbers.
Yes, they’re a couple of thousand and rising without further loosening of restrictions.
Hospitals will not always be at “this pressure” at all. Non-emergency care is still being hindered by Covid, without a further rise in admissions.
And whether a national health service should or shouldn’t be able to cope is irrelevant, you have doctors telling you it cannot. Or do you know better than them ?
grandjoeblue
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If we carry on with covid measures cancer diagnosis etc will continue to be missed which is now a real concern.
Hospital admissions overall will be significantly higher in October than they are now. If they do not open up now then they would have to wait until next summer as at no point in the winter would work better than now.
The NHS has been at full capacity every winter for a decade. You cannot open up in the winter.
Well sorry, yes that’s a better way of putting it. Look, I’m not saying it’s right that the nhs is pushed to capacity at any time - it needs to be better funded, it needs better equipment, it needs more staff. I want all of these things to happen. I just think they’re a separate issue
my post wasn’t in response to Legs at all. Legs makes good points, but that doesn’t change that it’s something which was expected. It also doesn’t change that we need to take the steps to get out of this
I don’t go to nightclubs but I’d imagine owners of clubs that have been shut for the last 18 months are on their last legs. I’d imagine people who rely on events being able to go ahead are on their last legs.
There is no easy answer but we have to try at some point. If the point isn’t now, when deaths are low, millions are fully vaccinated and over 40s will be by July 19th, in mid-summer, with the school holidays coming up, then when? And I was saying that before Johnson did the other day, btw. I’ve been saying it for months. We have to try.
as for the ‘keep us locked down’ thing - while countries are on lists of restricted travel, while people are having to quarantine, while people aren’t able to go to events etc other than trial ones, then yes, I think we’re in some form of lockdown. For lack of a better term, if anything
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Lord Buckethead
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After the godawful Covid spreading apocalypse of"Freedom Day", will we still be allowed to wear masks while in the Bank if we want to?
Explain why please?
And when you get a chance I'm still waiting for them Sage reports of hundreds of people dying a day.
grandjoeblue
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People aren't getting checked for cancer etc. This is mentioned constantly on the news.
Did you miss the delta variant SAGE article I posted? We should currently have more hospitalisations now than last winter based on those predictions.
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