Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Mrk]

A few things seems to be involved but a calculated gamble on smooth supply seems to be the main one.

Interesting, thanks! Anecdotally I know we have a fair amount of wastage in England because even when the call goes out for people to just turn up if they're anticipating having a surplus at the end of the day, for whatever reason not enough people show up. That could be impacted by geographics though I guess - a lot of Wales' population is quite highly concentrated in comparison.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Emma Kennedy is a shambles.

Has done her fair share of online bullying, quite often to people who campaign for the opposition party so she should keep quiet. Gets her numbers though.

He's kinda banged to rights on that one though, isn't he?

 

[orchard]

Probably been posted already, soz abar me like.

 

[LinekersLegs]

The figures shown for Manchester, I’m not sure about, but the positivity rate for the U.K. is about 0.7%....some 6,400 positive results versus 932,568 tests performed...as I say, I’m not too concerned about a delay, but I fear we are being bounced into it on the back of numbers that aren’t stacking up......

Why do you feel you are being “bounced into it on the back of the numbers that aren’t stacking up“

There is a clear trend in the NW - we’ll see whether that is replicated around the rest of the UK, perhaps there are unique factors in play there and in the Scottish outbreak, but given how this variant has spread in other countries and the early signs of case growth around the rest of the UK imo it is understandable that SAGE made the recommendation they did



I honestly don’t get this “blame the scientists” pitch - they are generally doing the very best they can on very imperfect data. Will they get things wrong, certainly, and will they often err on the side of caution yes, but it will be from a good faith effort to keep people safe.

If you are looking to blame someone how about those whose decisions let this particular variant into the UK and seed widely at a crucial time.

 

[orchard]

Why do you feel you are being “bounced into it on the back of the numbers that aren’t stacking up“

There is a clear trend in the NW - we’ll see whether that is replicated around the rest of the UK, perhaps there are unique factors in play there and in the Scottish outbreak, but given how this variant has spread in other countries and the early signs of case growth around the rest of the UK imo it is understandable that SAGE made the recommendation they did



I honestly don’t get this “blame the scientists” pitch - they are generally doing the very best they can on very imperfect data. Will they get things wrong, certainly, and will they often err on the side of caution yes, but it will be from a good faith effort to keep people safe.

If you are looking to blame someone how about those whose decisions let this particular variant into the UK and seed widely at a crucial time.

No he won't. Y u put dis country down leftie?

 

[Goat]

If you are looking to blame someone how about those whose decisions let this particular variant into the UK and seed widely at a crucial time.

LOL, Pete wont and cant blame Boris.

He prefers to just pretend that nothing bad is happening, cos Boris is the supreme leader.

 

[Charro]

He's kinda banged to rights on that one though, isn't he?

Obviously, but she’s not angel herself.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Interesting, thanks! Anecdotally I know we have a fair amount of wastage in England because even when the call goes out for people to just turn up if they're anticipating having a surplus at the end of the day, for whatever reason not enough people show up. That could be impacted by geographics though I guess - a lot of Wales' population is quite highly concentrated in comparison.

Wonder if they have tried putting on the waitlist those who are not currently eligible - here in US that was quite effective iirc when we were still going through the age restrictions. Got a bunch of the eager 20 year olds who live on their phones and would get down sharpish as soon as they saw a text!

 

[BlueToff]

Just got a text from my GP to book my vaccine, or if I'd already booked it, to just let them know (via the link in the text) that I was booked in.

Was out with my mate on a ride yesterday and he got his text to book - he's 23 so could only get the invite from yesterday.

Seems a thorough system to me.

Edit: I had already booked mine, getting it at the end of the month.

 

[BlueToff]

Six months ago Cummings was the devil incarnate to the lefties.
Now he's their working class hero... Laughable.
Can't say I'm not enjoying it.

It's so funny.

But that's what leftists on social media do. Get themselves so tied up in one ideology that as soon as there's a defector from the other side they'll jump onside.

I actually think what Cummings says is probably true, and the government are a disgrace and we all know this etc. Just find it funny that they're suddenly all so willing to believe him. This is a man who claimed he went on a 40 mile drive to test his eye sight.

But, you can see both sides, just the lesson should be for people to be more considered initially or they end up looking like idiots.

 

[LinekersLegs]

COVID-19: UK trial finds new coronavirus treatment saves lives and cuts risk of serious illness

Researchers found there were six fewer deaths than would have been expected for every 100 patients treated with Regeneron.

news.sky.com

The Recovery team has provided rigorous data throughout the pandemic that is useful throughout the world, they deserve huge praise

 

[peteblue]

Why do you feel you are being “bounced into it on the back of the numbers that aren’t stacking up“

There is a clear trend in the NW - we’ll see whether that is replicated around the rest of the UK, perhaps there are unique factors in play there and in the Scottish outbreak, but given how this variant has spread in other countries and the early signs of case growth around the rest of the UK imo it is understandable that SAGE made the recommendation they did



I honestly don’t get this “blame the scientists” pitch - they are generally doing the very best they can on very imperfect data. Will they get things wrong, certainly, and will they often err on the side of caution yes, but it will be from a good faith effort to keep people safe.

If you are looking to blame someone how about those whose decisions let this particular variant into the UK and seed widely at a crucial time.

I’m not really having a go at Whitty and co, but I feel as though there is something they are not telling us about the demographics of those catching it. Boris was obviously foolish in not closing the borders (again) but the Delta variant is already in many countries already. If we need rigid lockdowns in specific areas then do it and there would be no argument from me, but we are becoming fearful of something that may not even be an issue anymore.....

 

[LinekersLegs]

It's so funny.

But that's what leftists on social media do. Get themselves so tied up in one ideology that as soon as there's a defector from the other side they'll jump onside.

I actually think what Cummings says is probably true, and the government are a disgrace and we all know this etc. Just find it funny that they're suddenly all so willing to believe him. This is a man who claimed he went on a 40 mile drive to test his eye sight.

But, you can see both sides, just the lesson should be for people to be more considered initially or they end up looking like idiots.

They aren’t comparable statements though.

”I went on a 40 mile drive to test my eyesight” (with the family no less!) is clearly a nonsense statement whoever makes it let alone a notorious liar.

”Here are WhatsApp messages that I received” is something that can, especially if you have the the technology of the security services, presumably can be proved a false statement. If Cummings is lying about them I assume Johnson will be able to demonstrate it.

Some of Cummings other claims that are not supported by physical evidence are more marginal - you need secondary witnesses to make a judgement on those, which have often been forthcoming.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I’m not really having a go at Whitty and co, but I feel as though there is something they are not telling us about the demographics of those catching it. Boris was obviously foolish in not closing the borders (again) but the Delta variant is already in many countries already. If we need rigid lockdowns in specific areas then do it and there would be no argument from me, but we are becoming fearful of something that may not even be an issue anymore.....

They have been pretty clear on the demographics though - primarily young and unvaccinated.

The variant is in 74 countries at last count, it will likely be the dominant strain worldwide if trends continue. Even if India had been on the red list earlier it probably would only have made a difference of about a month. However thay would have been a crucial month to increase UK vaccinations (especially second dose) and almost certainly would have meant that the UK could have opened up on June 21st.

If you are suggesting regional controls that is an entirely different argument than the one I understood you were making earlier which was that there wasn’t a particular issue in the UK.

 

[tsubaki]

Has someone been editing this thread? I’ve looked for ages and can’t see where “leftists” go on about what a great bloke he (Cummings) is.