Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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dholliday said:
i'm a freelancer and business owner....far from bored. very frustrated. i don't get paid to sit at home to wait things out, instead i watch years of prep stall. like countless millions of others in similar situations.

and it's not proven as of yet that lockdowns have any such appreciable effect...

see for example here:

Initially, lockdowns are associated with a significant reduction in the spread of the virus and the number of related deaths, but this effect declines over time. Lockdown does not work as a continuous containment policy in the event of a protracted pandemic.

This is dated to end of 2020, so would be even less effective now.

Lockdown fatigue: The declining effectiveness of lockdowns

Non-pharmaceutical interventions have been key to containing the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic. This column examines whether the effectiveness of lockdowns on the virus's spread and death toll has changed over the past year, using data from 152 countries from the onset of the pandemic through...
voxeu.org voxeu.org


also here:

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For the avoidance of doubt, nor do I, I’ve been very lucky and able to work throughout.

I certainly think that lockdowns are less effective at this point than previously, in a partially vaccinated population etc., but your initial point was along the lines of “we used to just let loads die and get on with life”, implying that is better. My point is that locking down to save lives is better, despite the disruption.
 
Amw79 said:
For the avoidance of doubt, nor do I, I’ve been very lucky and able to work throughout.

I certainly think that lockdowns are less effective at this point than previously, in a partially vaccinated population etc., but your initial point was along the lines of “we used to just let loads die and get on with life”, implying that is better. My point is that locking down to save lives is better, despite the disruption.
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fair comment.
 
Cool_Blue said:
I mean things like Trooping the Colour going ahead ‘in private’ as it were, and yet cricket fans are jumping all over each other and making beer snakes at Edgbaston. I don’t understand what’s going on any more.
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The Test, and the other sporting events, are in a controlled setting. Names, addresses, tests/vax proof, and follow up tests etc etc.

They are all test (sic) events. Trooping the Colour is a tough one to control I guess.
 
Neiler said:
www.theguardian.com

Rapid Covid tests used in mass UK programme get scathing US report

Innova tests’ performance not proven and they should be returned to manufacturer or thrown in bin, says FDA
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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In fairness mate that's nothing we didn't know already. We know that the accuracy is poor in that it only identifies cases where infection rates are high. That's why the procedure where it is used in this country calls for it to be used as regularly as twice per week. The news that the manufacturers have fudged the figures slightly hasn't really changed anything in that we already knew accuracy was poor. I'm more concerned that the FDA don't appear to be doing anything about it. They should be throwing the book at Innova if they believe they are trying to mislead the pubic over the tests results.

The question is should we be utilising this product in the UK given it's inaccuracy, and I think we should in certain circumstances. It certainly worked with the re-opening of schools in the Spring given the number of cases it found which enabled the schools to open up without increasing infection rates. It can also be used where an urgent result is required provided this is backed up in due course by a PCR test.

Bottom line is that it is okay as part of an overall testing strategy that is underpinned by the more accurate PCR test, which ours is. The bigger issue for me in this country is testing as part of track and trace, which needs to be decentralised. PHE are determined to maintain control of this for some reason, when it needs to be put in the control of localised public health officials. They need to come up with a way of getting the test data to regional health officials on the day they are produced.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
In fairness mate that's nothing we didn't know already. We know that the accuracy is poor in that it only identifies cases where infection rates are high. That's why the procedure where it is used in this country calls for it to be used as regularly as twice per week. The news that the manufacturers have fudged the figures slightly hasn't really changed anything in that we already knew accuracy was poor. I'm more concerned that the FDA don't appear to be doing anything about it. They should be throwing the book at Innova if they believe they are trying to mislead the pubic over the tests results.

The question is should we be utilising this product in the UK given it's inaccuracy, and I think we should in certain circumstances. It certainly worked with the re-opening of schools in the Spring given the number of cases it found which enabled the schools to open up without increasing infection rates. It can also be used where an urgent result is required provided this is backed up in due course by a PCR test.

Bottom line is that it is okay as part of an overall testing strategy that is underpinned by the more accurate PCR test, which ours is. The bigger issue for me in this country is testing as part of track and trace, which needs to be decentralised. PHE are determined to maintain control of this for some reason, when it needs to be put in the control of localised public health officials. They need to come up with a way of getting the test data to regional health officials on the day they are produced.
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I think antigen have their uses but they can be unreliable mate, Its funny over here there is a lot of grief in the media in that we have stuck to PCR over antigen. I think you have the right of it, there is a time and place for both.
 
roydo said:
The Test, and the other sporting events, are in a controlled setting. Names, addresses, tests/vax proof, and follow up tests etc etc.

They are all test (sic) events. Trooping the Colour is a tough one to control I guess.
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Are you telling me everyone in the crowd at Edgbaston had to test negative before being admitted? Surely not.
 
Cool_Blue said:
Are you telling me everyone in the crowd at Edgbaston had to test negative before being admitted? Surely not.
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Cant recall the exact requirements, but there had to be some evidence of a vax and/or a neg test within a certain time scale.

They were discussing it on TMS, so could have got the end of a separate discussion I guess.
 
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