Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Medical apartheid? Give me a break.

Also, how big was this protest? That video is from Oxford Street, right outside Tottenham Court Road station, but I also saw one picture on Reddit of them in Trafalgar Square, and they invaded the Shepherd’s Bush Westfield. That’s covering a lot of ground.
 
This is why social media should have been turned off at the start of the pandemic.

Tens of thousands of people have been turned into walking around London mugs by rumour, gossip and lies put out over Facebook, often by people who at best want to profit financially by it and at worst want our country to suffer, to be divided.

We’d never have stood for this during either war, or even when the Soviet Union was around, yet we are even less likely to do something about those social media firms than we are about the Chinese government causing this disaster.
 
They have surge tested in a few areas. I hope its cos of that.

Hospital admissions are still normal by all accounts.
Having faith in surge testing and project moonshine is out there with anitvax and no mask brigade.


 
Having faith in surge testing and project moonshine is out there with anitvax and no mask brigade.



Is it? Really?

The BMJ article you posted suggested that targeted testing for cervical cancer was more effective than mass testing. Isnt that what surge testing in effected covid areas is?
 
It does seem that older people not being vaccinated has caused the problems in Bolton. If you're above 60 and you haven't been vaccinated you should ask yourself serious questions. Stop reading dodgy Facebook posts and get the jab in your arm.

I was against it at first but I'm starting to come round to the idea of vaccine passports. If these idiots end up causing another lockdown its an absolute disgrace.
 
Is it? Really?

The BMJ article you posted suggested that targeted testing for cervical cancer was more effective than mass testing. Isnt that what surge testing in effected covid areas is?

No. The problem with surge testing is that its a bad system (often throwing out thousands of tests that people are required to complete themselves and send back, which both wastes tests by giving them to people who might not need them as well as giving people who can't afford / CBA to to the test an opportunity not to do it) and its usually deployed too late to be effective at suppression (since to trigger the surge we've usually seen town / borough-wide problems with infection happening). It also doesn't do anything about the people who test positive - they are still left to make a decision as to whether to isolate or not.

To have effective suppression of outbreaks you've got to pick it up much earlier,the state has to have a much more intrusive role and its got to take the decision of what to do out of people's hands - that really means once one person reports symptoms, the testers come around to your house and test you (and everyone else). They've got to then work out who you've been in contact with and test them, and their contacts (if they test postive). The government has also got to clearly explain to people why they've got to isolate and ensure they do not lose out financially (including ensuring they keep their jobs) if they do have to. This has to happen within hours of the positive test, to chase down the outbreak before it requires much more impactful measures like local or national lockdowns.

This is going to cost a lot of time, money and effort to set up but we've got to have it - for further mutations of this, for future diseases as well but especially if it does turn out this was from a lab.
 
No. The problem with surge testing is that its a bad system (often throwing out thousands of tests that people are required to complete themselves and send back, which both wastes tests by giving them to people who might not need them as well as giving people who can't afford / CBA to to the test an opportunity not to do it) and its usually deployed too late to be effective at suppression (since to trigger the surge we've usually seen town / borough-wide problems with infection happening). It also doesn't do anything about the people who test positive - they are still left to make a decision as to whether to isolate or not.

To have effective suppression of outbreaks you've got to pick it up much earlier,the state has to have a much more intrusive role and its got to take the decision of what to do out of people's hands - that really means once one person reports symptoms, the testers come around to your house and test you (and everyone else). They've got to then work out who you've been in contact with and test them, and their contacts (if they test postive). The government has also got to clearly explain to people why they've got to isolate and ensure they do not lose out financially (including ensuring they keep their jobs) if they do have to. This has to happen within hours of the positive test, to chase down the outbreak before it requires much more impactful measures like local or national lockdowns.

This is going to cost a lot of time, money and effort to set up but we've got to have it - for further mutations of this, for future diseases as well but especially if it does turn out this was from a lab.

But its not like being anti mask and anti vax though is it.

Which was what I was accused of.
 


Medical apartheid? Give me a break.

Also, how big was this protest? That video is from Oxford Street, right outside Tottenham Court Road station, but I also saw one picture on Reddit of them in Trafalgar Square, and they invaded the Shepherd’s Bush Westfield. That’s covering a lot of ground.



Not "Dr" Gillian McKeith then anymore I see.
 
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