Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Christina Pagel at it again. Screaming for the roadmap to be pushed back and lockdown to carry on for longer.

Do these rich SAGE/independent SAGE members have any idea of the impact of lock down? Fair enough suggesting a targeted approach for Sefton or Bolton but to force 60 million people to stay locked down because of minor increases in a few towns seems a bit much.

You have to wonder whether some of these scientists are enjoying the media work that they are currently getting.
 
Christina Pagel at it again. Screaming for the roadmap to be pushed back and lockdown to carry on for longer.

Do these rich SAGE/independent SAGE members have any idea of the impact of lock down? Fair enough suggesting a targeted approach for Sefton or Bolton but to force 60 million people to stay locked down because of minor increases in a few towns seems a bit much.

You have to wonder whether some of these scientists are enjoying the media work that they are currently getting.
Do we need the 'those damn elite intelluctuals' crap, they are there to give a view point purely from a scientific basis and that is what they are doing. Further factors will then be discussed by others and a decision will be made
 
Do we need the 'those damn elite intelluctuals' crap, they are there to give a view point purely from a scientific basis and that is what they are doing. Further factors will then be discussed by others and a decision will be made

At some point it would be nice if there was a discussion around a variant which doesn't involve it being ultra transmissive and 1000s of deaths a day on its way. Every single time a variant appears the same points are made.

Variants are always going to happen. We cannot continue to have this situation every few weeks.
 
Whats the difference between a variant and strain or are they the same thing?

You only hear of Covid variants but with the Flu its Flu Strains.

I know Flu mutates a lot more which could explain it but wasn't sure.

@LinekersLegs
 
Whats the difference between a variant and strain or are they the same thing?

You only hear of Covid variants but with the Flu its Flu Strains.

I know Flu mutates a lot more which could explain it but wasn't sure.

@LinekersLegs

A variant is basically the same as a strain, a change in the code. There are loads of variants already, probably in the thousands.

Its always going to happen. Hopefully after a few years people will stop being concerned about them.
 
I said that to you the other month and you didn't agree!

Good to hear it's busy.
My local is currently staying shut until the June date, they are mainly inside and said the whole process felt so impersonal last time they opened.

People can’t wait to get back inside the pub, but only being able to use the outside has changed the dynamic tbh. Of course a lot of this is because people just want to get out after lockdown, but with the nice weather still to come instead of the outside being for ‘overspill’ it may end up being the other way around until the end of summer. It’s just nice to see people enjoying themselves tbh.....
 
A variant is basically the same as a strain, a change in the code. There are loads of variants already, probably in the thousands.

Its always going to happen. Hopefully after a few years people will stop being concerned about them.

It’s not quite the same thing as I understand it.

Strain = SARS Cov 2

Variant = A different “version” of SARS Cov 2
 
Christina Pagel at it again. Screaming for the roadmap to be pushed back and lockdown to carry on for longer.

Do these rich SAGE/independent SAGE members have any idea of the impact of lock down? Fair enough suggesting a targeted approach for Sefton or Bolton but to force 60 million people to stay locked down because of minor increases in a few towns seems a bit much.

You have to wonder whether some of these scientists are enjoying the media work that they are currently getting.
The danger of buying into the fallacy that vaccines were the holy grail to a path of normality, until we have a functioning NHS and Social health care system that had been ripped down to its bare minimum because of 10 years of Conservative government.
We are going to have live relative restrictions until the NHS and Social care are able manage waves of very poorly people, will take several years to catch up with even lower end relative countries of standing and wealth. We reap what they sow.

Although virus my variant itself into uselessness, I'm never very good with hope, too much like luck...
 
I feel like crying TBH

It looked like we were coming out of the other end of this thing - then the government drops the ball with closing borders and we're on the brink of it all kicking off again

How long can we bloody live like this?!

As long as everyone does their part then we'll be right as rain and all restrictions will end on June 21. I am 100% convinced that the roadmap will still be pursued, as it should be, despite what the doom merchants in the Media and Scientists for Hire say.
 
I feel like crying TBH

It looked like we were coming out of the other end of this thing - then the government drops the ball with closing borders and we're on the brink of it all kicking off again

How long can we bloody live like this?!

Feel similar in all honesty. Its getting very difficult now.
 
UK are really world leading at sequencing. You wonder if this has/is as prevalent elsewhere and the U.K. are just identifying .

I haven’t seen the data used, but over here anyone with either a history of wild type or mutated is offered just one dose and considered fully vaccinated.

I agree mate I’m also confident in the vaccines for severity, etc, be awful for young people.
I said at the time that the UK made the wrong decision to announce that they were not going give the AZ vaccine to under 30s so early, given that they were not due to start vaccinating that genre for another 2 months. You disagreed with me.

Admittedly my concern at the time was that it would further undermine the reputation AZ vaccine given that there were many under 30s and other younger people still to receive their second dose of the vaccine. As it turns out, my worst fears didn't transpire, or at least not in significant numbers, but I hadn't expected a variation to emerge that proved more dangerous to the younger generations.

The country is now in a position whereby we need to be more flexible with our vaccine programme, and consideration needs to be given to treating the younger generation with a higher priority, certainly within the areas most affected by the Indian variant. There is also an argument that the younger age group are the biggest spreaders of covid, so irrespective of the Indian variant we should be prioritising their vaccination to reduce infections anyway.

But the problem we face is that, for various reasons, we don't have a stock of the alternative vaccines to give to the under 30s, an neither are we expecting to have significant stocks any time soon. Even the Pfizer supplies are being prioritised for second doses. We only have available stocks of AZ. I have no doubts in my mind that, had we not already come out and announced the AZ ban, we would now be using it to vaccinate the under 30s and surge vaccinate those areas heavily exposed to the new variant. We still may need to, even though the authorities will have to justify going back on their original decision.
 
I feel like crying TBH

It looked like we were coming out of the other end of this thing - then the government drops the ball with closing borders and we're on the brink of it all kicking off again

How long can we bloody live like this?!
We cant live like this and tbh we wont live like this much longer, there will become a point and i think were very close now where people will just say "fuc it" i have bigger issues in my life than the fear of Covid. Right or wrong that's the point where most people are at now mentally, because i know i am.
 
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