Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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roydo said:
I am not flag waving the AZ jab, (and like most on here had not a clue about all this pre covid), but my reading does suggest that while the lab rats making the stuff are globally cooperative, data and that, Pharma politics is a dirty game.

So, the At Cost jab gets a kicking, more expensive ones dont. Go figure.
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It is, and if AZ hadn’t made such obvious mistakes in their rollout I’d be more inclined to believe it.

But honestly I don’t think you can dismiss how things like this impacted perceptions - giving half your planned dose and then smudging the numbers together is going to raise legitimate eyebrows whatever your pricing structure.
Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid vaccine 'dose error' explained https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55086927
Some of the shots were weaker than they were designed to be, containing much less of the ingredient that is meant to give a person immunity.
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About 3,000 participants were given the half dose and then a full dose four weeks later, and this regime appeared to provide the most protection or efficacy in the trial - around 90%.
In the larger group of nearly 9,000 volunteers, who were given two full doses also four weeks apart, efficacy was 62%. AstraZeneca reported these percentages and also said that its vaccine was, on average, 70% effective at preventing Covid-19 illness. The figures left some experts scratching their head.

Prof David Salisbury, immunisation expert and associate fellow of the global health program at the Chatham House think tank, said: "You've taken two studies for which different doses were used and come up with a composite that doesn't represent either of the doses. I think many people are having trouble with that.″
 
LinekersLegs said:
It is, and if AZ hadn’t made such obvious mistakes in their rollout I’d be more inclined to believe it.

But honestly I don’t think you can dismiss how things like this impacted perceptions - giving half your planned dose and then smudging the numbers together is going to raise legitimate eyebrows whatever your pricing structure.
Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid vaccine 'dose error' explained https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55086927
Some of the shots were weaker than they were designed to be, containing much less of the ingredient that is meant to give a person immunity.
..
About 3,000 participants were given the half dose and then a full dose four weeks later, and this regime appeared to provide the most protection or efficacy in the trial - around 90%.
In the larger group of nearly 9,000 volunteers, who were given two full doses also four weeks apart, efficacy was 62%. AstraZeneca reported these percentages and also said that its vaccine was, on average, 70% effective at preventing Covid-19 illness. The figures left some experts scratching their head.

Prof David Salisbury, immunisation expert and associate fellow of the global health program at the Chatham House think tank, said: "You've taken two studies for which different doses were used and come up with a composite that doesn't represent either of the doses. I think many people are having trouble with that.″
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The trials were rushed, well, quicker than normal, cos AZ had a wad of cash lobbed at them. But they all were. Is it Pfzier who pretty much used Israel as a testing point, hence their vax success?

What I am saying, is the extremely rare platelet thing seems to apply to more than the AZ one, is being over exposed as serious mainly to them. In relation to not getting any jab.
 
roydo said:
I am pretty sure that wont happen. Call me a cynic.
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Well "Mitie" has been hired by the home office, no doubt monies up front, of course whether they actually do the job is entirely different matter.
Think a nice Union jack uniform designed by Hugo Boss is in order. I suppose British Knight should make a come back and diverse away from just trainers.
 
roydo said:
The trials were rushed, well, quicker than normal, cos AZ had a wad of cash lobbed at them. But they all were. Is it Pfzier who pretty much used Israel as a testing point, hence their vax success?

What I am saying, is the extremely rare platelet thing seems to apply to more than the AZ one, is being over exposed as serious mainly to them. In relation to not getting any jab.
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They all were, yes, but none of the other vaccine makers made such a glaring mistake as to misdose during their trial and then give very unclear data on what the results were.

The Pfizer approach of using Israel as a full scale rollout has been a success, an expanded real world trial as it were, but they did earlier US trials which got it approved in the first place.

Pfizer and BioNTech Conclude Phase 3 Study of COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate, Meeting All Primary Efficacy Endpoints | Pfizer

Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against COVID-19 beginning 28 days after the first dose; 170 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were evaluated, with 162 observed in the placebo group versus 8 in the vaccine group Efficacy was consistent across age, gender, race and...
www.pfizer.com www.pfizer.com

I agree the messaging sucks re comparison to catching COVID but on existing data it does appear that both the JNJ and AZ are more prone to the clotting risks. Similarly the mRNA seemed to have more risk of allergic reactions.
 
LinekersLegs said:
but on existing data it does appear that both the JNJ and AZ are more prone to the clotting risks. Similarly the mRNA seemed to have more risk of allergic reactions.
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And I am saying that "some" folk are exploiting that. edit. Cos the risk is still miniscule.

I had not even heard that the allergic reactions in those were more likely. For example.
 
roydo said:
And I am saying that "some" folk are exploiting that. edit. Cos the risk is still miniscule.

I had not even heard that the allergic reactions in those were more likely. For example.
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In Europe they could well be, just saying that don’t think that is the case with the US which was the original point.

Although having lived in a different country which has much more distrust of medical institutions than the UK I wouldn’t put all of the European caution down to politics, a lot will be cultural. And from a logistical standpoint an anaphylactic reaction within 15 mins is a lot easier to handle than a brain clot 6-20 days post injection.
 
An ITV programme in its introduction just used that word “staycation”. It makes me want to rip my ears off even more than hearing “Brexit” all the time. YouTube commenters replying to a post that is a year old with “This aged well”, is close behind.

This country and its obsession with compound words is getting just beyond now. “Sheeple” is an old 1940s word, now it’s used to be sarcastic.

I appreciate a language has to evolve, but why does it all have to “social media” driven, as well as annoying sounding?.
 
LinekersLegs said:
In Europe they could well be, just saying that don’t think that is the case with the US which was the original point.

Although having lived in a different country which has much more distrust of medical institutions than the UK I wouldn’t put all of the European caution down to politics, a lot will be cultural. And from a logistical standpoint an anaphylactic reaction within 15 mins is a lot easier to handle than a brain clot 6-20 days post injection.
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I think we are violently agreeing!!

You know, I know, that any pill/jab you take have potential, usually mild, or rare, side effects.
 
roydo said:
I think we are violently agreeing!!

You know, I know, that any pill/jab you take have potential, usually mild, or rare, side effects.
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lol

I don’t think we are on the politics, you seem far more convinced that there is something dodgy going on in both the US and Europe than I do re the handling of both AZ and J&J vaccines.

But on the side effects point very much so!

Still glad that they are collecting data in it though so can accurately quantify the risk and narrow down if it applies to a particular subgroup.
 
For the coviders on my other post

The idiots are the ones coerced into getting unapproved covid jabs, how hard is it to compute the deaths of normal healthy adults from 70 Million? (it’s around 350 deaths) - The Government are told to keep quiet on this because everything is under NDA, I don’t know if you folk know what NDA means but you should check it out - The pharma industries are not liable for anything in a nutshell

Guess what sheep - more are dying from jabs actually - go check out the FB group on Covid vaccine, its death after death after death after death so you can send a message to them folk on FB and see what they say about this. I had a 5 second look on the forum a few nights ago before I went to bed and saw at least 4 deaths mentioned, its far more than that now – a report a week back said 19 deaths from AstraZeneca jab in the UK, soon this figure will far eclipse 350.

Were you folk here, serious question – were you getting all hissy and venomous when over 200 thousand folks in England died of cancer, dementia, the flu, diabetes, heart and lung disease over the last 5 years? Really? I am shocked

Each year cardiovascular disease (CVD) causes 3.9 million deaths in Europe and over 1.8 million deaths in the European Union (EU).

Let’s face it, everyone is scared ****less on covid from the Government and all this scaremongering we are getting nonstop for over a year

Covid hospitals in Brazil over easter showed doctors playing musical instruments in wards.

Did anyone watch that Derren brown show about the zombie apocalypse? This covid sounds a lot like that. Going back to the government letters to everyone in the country, fear from scaremongering, mind games, terrifying daily cases on covid every minute and hour of the day, coercion to use unsafe vaccines. Everything is just not believable anymore and hasn't been for some time.

“The death of a young patient in Northern Ireland two weeks after they received the AstraZeneca vaccine is being investigated to establish whether the jab played a role in the tragedy.

The patient died last month with a blood clot on their brain and a low platelet count.”

Stay safe out there (from the Government)
 
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