Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I take 6 different meds everyday, the side effect list is horrifying but they always state rare.
Same as me mate as I have a heart condition one of the drugs is called Amiodarone.
If you look at the potential side effects it can literally kill you - but if my heart packs up
then that will definately kill me and Amiodarone does exactly what it is supposed to do.
I'm lucky and only have some very mild side effects from my meds. Its about risk & reward...
 
While we seem to be over the worst of the pandemic the same can't be said of many other countries. The situation in Gaza, for instance, is deteriorating with infections on the rise and already way beyond the previous peak in December. Previously, the blockade on Gaza had one positive effect in that the isolation made it harder for the virus to enter the enclave, while the Hamas government operated a strict 3 week quarantine programme for any visitors, followed by a strict lockdown when cases began to creep up.

The lockdown was lifted in February with schools, mosques and crowded markets all returning to normal. A few weeks later the border with Egypt was reopened for the first time in years, as part of a goodwill gesture for the upcoming elections. This has resulted in countless lorries going back and forth, checked for weapons but nothing else. In addition, thousands of Gazans have taken the opportunity to visit Egypt, to see relatives and friends, shop, or go for short breaks. They've been allowed to return home, waved through with only a temperature test, no isolation necessary.

Meanwhile the vaccination programme has been slow to get underway. Gaza has so far received vaccines from the UAE, Covax, and from the Palestine Authority in the West Bank - they need millions more - but only around a quarter of the vaccines received have been used.

The last opinion poll showed that 43% of Palestinians said they and their families were not willing to take the vaccine, and it's only in the last few days that Hamas have begun a concerted campaign to counter this scepticism, including videos showing coronavirus patients in hospitals, patients being resuscitated and images from the funerals of the 642 people who died from the virus in the Strip. Previously, Hamas had seemed to be more concerned with scoring political points by blaming the PA, rightly or wrongly, for not sending them their fair share of the vaccines they've received.

Now schools and universities have closed again and other restrictions put in place but the government is reluctant to order another total lockdown because of the effect it would have on the already dire economic situation. Officials are pinning their hopes on a study conducted in early February by Hamas health authorities which estimated that around 40% of Gazans had coronavirus antibodies, a figure far higher than the number of recorded cases. If two-fifths of Gazans have already had coronavirus, that would mean the death rate in Gaza is extremely low - far less than 1%.

This gives some officials cause for optimism, arguing that the high rate of apparently minor infections could lead to widespread herd immunity. Health officials in the enclave attributed this immunity to its relatively young population — just 2.7% of Gazans are over the age of 65.

Let us hope the officials are proved right and that, combined with the reimposed restrictions, the impending disaster can be averted.
We're not.

How can we be when the very example of rampant infection you hand us is repeated in many parts of the world, and if thats the sutuation then it's just a matter of time before a variant is produced that compromises all the current vaccines.
 
That's why I can't understand why they have made that announcement now. There was no urgency and 2 months is a long time to find out more about the link. All they've done in my opinion is create more unrest around the AZ vaccine, at a time when it is still our principal vaccine.

I'm hoping that the majority of people will still be fine taking it, and the anger in me has subsided somewhat after a good nights sleep. But there will be some out there who will be spooked by yesterdays announcement.

I’d take it personally if offered it mate. The risk benefit ratio is far in your favour. But I’d surmise a couple of reasons.

They aren’t doing it for the lols really, I suspect and in fact am almost certain some concerning data has emerged domestically or internationally.

Ethically as clinicians they have a duty of care to disclose that to give people informed choice and also knowingly to cause no harm. That’s a systemic thing, it’s important to remember there are many thousand health care professionals out there who unknowingly could be causing people harm.

Second principal which is very precious in health care is informed consent, knowing the risks, explaining to people and empowering choice, if that goes we are on a very slippery slope.

Truth being often in health care there are risks, a healthcare professional works on that spectrum ethically with the person that they understand and choose those risks depending on what they feel best. That can have an impact for sure, like this calculated risk with AZ, sometimes the % in these decisions can be 49% wrong or 51% right, gains and impacts.

But I happen to think yesterday was handled correctly ethically and from a public information and health point of view, practically as you say it may be inconsequential in terms of roll out, or AZ rep takes another bashing.

But the balance is to maintain ethics, freedom to correct informed healthcare information, liberty to decide Vs the scepticism and worry of those now in between doses etc. Gain and impacts, it’s the way of it,
 
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I’d take it personally if offered it mate. The risk benefit ratio is far in your favour. But I’d surmise a couple of reasons.

They aren’t doing it for the lols really, I suspect and in fact am almost certain some concerning data has emerged domestically or internationally.

Ethically as clinicians they have a duty of care to disclose that to give people informed choice and also knowingly to cause no harm. That’s a systemic thing, it’s important to remember there are many thousand health care professionals out there who unknowingly could be causing people harm.

Second principal which is very precious in health care is informed consent, knowing the risks, explains to people and empowering choice, if that goes we are on a very slippery slope.

Truth being often in health care there are risks, a healthcare professional works on that spectrum ethically with the person that they understand and choose those risks depending on what they feel best. That can have an impact for sure, or this calculated risk with AZ, sometimes the % in there decisions can be 49% wrong or 51% right, gains and impacts.

But I happen not think yesterday was handled correctly ethically and from a public information and health point of view, practically as you say it may be inconsequential in terms of roll out, or AZ rep takes another bashing.

But the balance is to maintain ethics, freedom to correct informed healthcare information, liberty to decide Vs the scepticism and worry of those now in between does etc. Gain and impacts, it’s the way of it,
You misunderstand me. I personally have absolutely no qualms about taking the vaccine. I think it's absolutely safe. My issue is that there are many people out there who do have concerns, and this announcement has done nothing to allay those fears, only deepen them. When there was no need no make any announcement at all yet. This group won't be getting their jabs for another couple of months at best, and a lot more might be known about the link by then.

In the meantime, yes be fully transparent about the link to the rare blood clots and list them as a rare side effect on the vaccine.
 
You misunderstand me. I personally have absolutely no qualms about taking the vaccine. I think it's absolutely safe. My issue is that there are many people out there who do have concerns, and this announcement has done nothing to allay those fears, only deepen them. When there was no need no make any announcement at all yet. This group won't be getting their jabs for another couple of months at best, and a lot more might be known about the link by then.

In the meantime, yes be fully transparent about the link to the rare blood clots and list them as a rare side effect on the vaccine.

Defo, if offered I’d defo take it to.

I’d disagree personally, there are risks, I had two doses of Pfizer in Jan and taking them I understood there were risks and I accepted them.

There is a risk with AZ however marginal, it’s not hard to find information or statistics around it and personally risk assess.

Should Public health bodies and clinicians sit on information around risk because people might get a bit nervous, absolutely not. That’s is a terrible slippery slope and thankfully, healthcare has moved on leaps and bounds to a time that may have sounded reasonable. It’s paternalistic stuff mate.
 
Any epidemiologist will tell you that if the world isn't achieving herd immunity then vatriants will continually occur, which can eventually mutate into something worse.

Viruses typically get less severe when they mutate. You already know that though and you're just using this to justify a longer lockdown.
 
Defo, if offered I’d defo take it to.

I’d disagree personally, there are risks, I had two doses of Pfizer in Jan and taking them I understood there were risks and I accepted them.

There is a risk with AZ however marginal, it’s not hard to find information or statistics around it and personally risk assess.

Should Public health bodies and clinicians sit on information around risk because people might get a bit nervous, absolutely not. That’s is a terrible slippery slope and thankfully, healthcare has moved on leaps and bounds to a time that may have sounded reasonable. It’s paternalistic stuff mate.
Montgomery v Lanarkshire Health Board [2015] All ER (D) 113 (Mar).

 
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