Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[davek]

Great, just means I get mine earlier.

Unlucky with the reduced anti-bodies tho.

Ilm not giving you me. Ild feel terrible if anything happened to you with it.

 

[Goat]

Ilm not giving you me. Ild feel terrible if anything happened to you with it.

Dont worry, im invincible Dave.

 

[davek]

Ironically anyone over 60, which was the big gaping hole from the original data.

I think it’s safe to say AZ rushed to market, when the MRNA’s announced.

Oxford deserved a better partner then AZ IMO.

They should have went with Merck.

It all looked didgy from the off with AstraZenica. They knew they were struggling just befloe Christamas when they couldn;t match up with Modern and Pfizer's vaccine results. They inferred they'd go back to the drawing board or even couple up with Sputnik, then we simply watched them coming back out after Christmas with a big political push behind it from the UK Government and it was rushed out.

I've said before: if this wasn't an emergency that vaccine wouldn't have got into a single arm post trials.

 

[davek]

Dont worry, im invincible Dave.

You'll need to be with that gnats piss.

 

[BlueTX]

My Lord Texas is dumb...no offense @BlueTX

I'm no Rangers fan and, yes, Dallas sucks.

 

[Neiler]

It all looked didgy from the off with AstraZenica. They knew they were struggling just befloe Christamas when they couldn;t match up with Modern and Pfizer's vaccine results. They inferred they'd go back to the drawing board or even couple up with Sputnik, then we simply watched them coming back out after Christmas with a big political push behind it from the UK Government and it was rushed out.

I've said before: if this wasn't an emergency that vaccine wouldn't have got into a single arm post trials.

I believe the deal with Merck (biggest, most experienced developer of vaccines in the world with a massive supply and distribution chain) was very advanced and the U.K. Goverment interceded and pushed AZ, as they were willing to do a deal on U.K. first supply.

AZ aren’t very experienced at vaccine research, production, supply or distribution. It’s led to a litany of errors, that have dogged what could and probably should have been the world leading Oxford vaccine. The initial efficey problems, the accidental dosing strategy, the rush to market, the lack of data in over 60s, the difficulty supplying contracts, the embellishing of data in the states, the pause over the thrombosis issue, now the international investigation into the same issue.

I’m on record as saying the Oxford vaccine is great and I still genuinely believe that and I’d take it, they deserved a better partner then AZ in my personal opinion.

 

[Goat]

Look, people can have as many pops as they like about AZ, call it gnats piss, say mistakes were made, but all around Europe there are surges, lockdowns, hospitals overflowing, apart from The Uk, hospitals are emptying, lockdowns are ending and people are LIVING not dying.

So, no, mistakes have been made, but my God the end goal tastes like, Victory.

 

[davek]

I believe the deal with Merck (biggest, most experienced developer of vaccines in the world with a massive supply and distribution chain) was very advanced and the U.K. Goverment interceded and pushed AZ, as they were willing to do a deal on U.K. first supply.

AZ aren’t very experienced at vaccine research, production, supply or distribution. It’s led to a litany of errors, that have dogged what could and probably should have been the world leading Oxford vaccine. The initial efficey problems, the accidental dosing strategy, the rush to market, the lack of data in over 60s, the difficulty supplying contracts, the embellishing of data in the states, the pause over the thrombosis issue, now the international investigation into the same issue.

I’m on record as saying the Oxford vaccine is great and I still genuinely believe that and I’d take it, they deserved a better partner then AZ in my personal opinion.

I wonder how many Tories and their funders have shares in AstraZenica?

 

[davek]

Look, people can have as many pops as they like about AZ, call it gnats piss, say mistakes were made, but all around Europe there are surges, lockdowns, hospitals overflowing, apart from The Uk, hospitals are emptying, lockdowns are ending and people are LIVING not dying.

So, no, mistakes have been made, but my God the end goal tastes like, Victory.

That is yet to be tested in real life.

Every time I hear Johnson, Vallance or Whitty open their traps now they distance themselves from the vaccines as a game changer. Dont ignore the mood music.

 

[Goat]

That is yet to be tested in real life.

Every time I hear Johnson, Vallance or Whitty open their traps now they distance themselves from the vaccines as a game changer. Dont ignore the mood music.

You and mini-dave have taken a proper spanking here.

Have the good grace to admit defeat.

 

[Neiler]

I wonder how many Tories and their funders have shares in AstraZenica?

That I’d have no idea, I think it was more getting into bed with the company that would guarantee the U.K. first thing, not very altruistic, but I suppose understandable from a U.K. point of view, it’s great for U.K. citizens. There is a fair argument there that vaccine procurement might be dog eat dog. But there will be rounds, twits and turns in all this yet and dogs bite back

For example:

England’s Covid vaccine programme could slow sharply, Sage says

Scientific committee forecasts drop to 2.7m jabs a week until July with little available for first doses

www.theguardian.com

You might have just gotten in there by the skin of your teeth mate.

 

[davek]

You and mini-dave have taken a proper spanking here.

Have the good grace to admit defeat.

Sadly I seem to have been 100% proven correct with the AZ vaccine. I got massive stick over questioning it; now there isn't one of the usual suspects vilifying me on the matter piping up.

Funny that.

 

[COYBL25]

You and mini-dave have taken a proper spanking here.

Have the good grace to admit defeat.

I’m thinking we should organise a massive forum conga on Monday or maybe even a Hokey Cokey, followed by a bbq and a massive knees up.

 

[COYBL25]

Sadly I seem to have been 100% proven correct with the AZ vaccine. I got massive stick over questioning it; now there isn't one of the usual suspects vilifying me on the matter piping up.

Funny that.

 

[davek]

That I’d have no idea, I think it was more getting into bed with the company that would guarantee the U.K. first thing, not very altruistic, but I suppose understandable from a U.K. point of view, it’s great for U.K. citizens. There is a fair argument there that vaccine procurement might be dog eat dog. But there will be rounds, twits and turns in all this yet and dogs bite back

For example:

England’s Covid vaccine programme could slow sharply, Sage says

Scientific committee forecasts drop to 2.7m jabs a week until July with little available for first doses

www.theguardian.com

You might have just gotten in there by the skin of your teeth mate.

In terms of vaccine roll out strategy and safety, I think the story about the tortoise and the hare will prove instructive (again) here.