Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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As Belgium's latest wave of coronavirus infections once more fills intensive care beds in hard-pressed hospitals, the average age of victims is dropping as the pandemic moves through the middle-aged.

"We're not seeing grandparents any more, it's more parents now. People in their 40s, 50s and 60s," nurse Nicolas Ottermans told AFP in the intensive care unit of Brussels' Ixelles Hospital.

There are signs that the third wave of Covid-19 to have swept through Belgium may be levelling off, but the number of serious cases that need hospitalisation is still increasing and wards are filling up.

Health authorities have ordered hospitals to set aside 60 percent of ICU beds for coronavirus cases, which in Ixelles translates to 15 of 23 places, forcing health workers to cancel some other procedures.

On Tuesday, the country of 11.5 million had 3,053 Covid victims in hospital and 865 of those in intensive care, a figure that has doubled in the past month.

"At this pace we'll hit the threshold of 1,000 intensive care cases within a week," government virologist Steven Van Gucht told reporters.

Belgium has 2,000 ICU places and the first waves of the illness saw peaks of 1,285 in use last April and 1,464 in November, according to the Sciensano health agency.

But this time round many of the oldest and most vulnerable have received vaccinations and the cases are now hitting middle-aged adults, who are less likely to die but can still fall dangerously ill.

According to Ottermans, while younger adults are more likely to survive they often need longer treatment and now, a year into the pandemic, the hospital teams are stretched.

"We're tired. This third wave has been really hard," he said.

"In January and February we still had hope that we'd just see ripples but now, we're really into a third wave. It's not growing exponentially, but it's a burden, it's slow and it's dragging on," he said.

There's perhaps a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. Average new daily infections in Belgium dropped by 10 percent over the last week to around 4,300 -- suggesting hospitalisation rates will fall in two weeks.

"But we'll still be in the red for four to six weeks," the nurse warned.

Meanwhile, outside the hospitals younger Belgians are beginning to chafe at lockdown measures. Last week police deployed horse riders and water cannon to disperse an April Fool's day mass gathering in a Brussels park.

Ottermans has a simple message for the students and teen party-goers.

"Watch out! During the first wave it was your grandparents who were sick. Now it's your parents who are getting intubated, put on ventilators. It would be really stupid for the young to infect their parents."
 
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When I said it I got ridiculed; when some mush from SAGE says it later, he's a soothsayer.
The thing is, it's blindingly obvious.
Helpful reminder to everyone that vaccines are important but just saying 'we've vaccinated x number' while neglecting other public health measures is not a wise approach.

There should be the maximum possible effort and focus on reducing the rate to 0 and using systems to manage community outbreaks as quickly and with as much support as possible.

We should not be having another lockdown, but I fear we might.
 
I don't think deaths will be anywhere near that. They'll be locking down solely on infection rates.

Deaths will largely be from people who have refused vaccination.

I doubt they would do it (a national lockdown anyway) on booming infection rates alone - Whitty and others have already repeatedly said "this is something we are going to have to live with" which implies it being endemic in the population. They aren't going to do much to prevent its spread, so its going to happen and probably quite quickly once we go back to normal.

As with the other two national lockdowns, if a third one happens it will because they've lost control of it again and that it is going to mean large numbers of deaths - and to prevent those deaths is the only justification that can exist for such extreme measures. To save those lives in that situation they'd be right to lock down again (since its the only way they would ever do it) but as policy failures go it would be without precedent in British history.
 
As Belgium's latest wave of coronavirus infections once more fills intensive care beds in hard-pressed hospitals, the average age of victims is dropping as the pandemic moves through the middle-aged.

"We're not seeing grandparents any more, it's more parents now. People in their 40s, 50s and 60s," nurse Nicolas Ottermans told AFP in the intensive care unit of Brussels' Ixelles Hospital.

There are signs that the third wave of Covid-19 to have swept through Belgium may be levelling off, but the number of serious cases that need hospitalisation is still increasing and wards are filling up.

Health authorities have ordered hospitals to set aside 60 percent of ICU beds for coronavirus cases, which in Ixelles translates to 15 of 23 places, forcing health workers to cancel some other procedures.

On Tuesday, the country of 11.5 million had 3,053 Covid victims in hospital and 865 of those in intensive care, a figure that has doubled in the past month.

"At this pace we'll hit the threshold of 1,000 intensive care cases within a week," government virologist Steven Van Gucht told reporters.

Belgium has 2,000 ICU places and the first waves of the illness saw peaks of 1,285 in use last April and 1,464 in November, according to the Sciensano health agency.

But this time round many of the oldest and most vulnerable have received vaccinations and the cases are now hitting middle-aged adults, who are less likely to die but can still fall dangerously ill.

According to Ottermans, while younger adults are more likely to survive they often need longer treatment and now, a year into the pandemic, the hospital teams are stretched.

"We're tired. This third wave has been really hard," he said.

"In January and February we still had hope that we'd just see ripples but now, we're really into a third wave. It's not growing exponentially, but it's a burden, it's slow and it's dragging on," he said.

There's perhaps a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. Average new daily infections in Belgium dropped by 10 percent over the last week to around 4,300 -- suggesting hospitalisation rates will fall in two weeks.

"But we'll still be in the red for four to six weeks," the nurse warned.

Meanwhile, outside the hospitals younger Belgians are beginning to chafe at lockdown measures. Last week police deployed horse riders and water cannon to disperse an April Fool's day mass gathering in a Brussels park.

Ottermans has a simple message for the students and teen party-goers.

"Watch out! During the first wave it was your grandparents who were sick. Now it's your parents who are getting intubated, put on ventilators. It would be really stupid for the young to infect their parents."
Sounds like we are going to need to get the 40-50 cohort done ASAP
 
Sounds like we are going to need to get the 40-50 cohort done ASAP
Sadly the lower the ages the more risk the AZ vaccine holds.

Its a rock and a hard place at the moment and I suppose its up to people now to make that judgement on the risks involved.

I mean if I was a woman under the age of 50 or so, I would be crapping myself at this point.
 
Sadly the lower the ages the more risk the AZ vaccine holds.

Its a rock and a hard place at the moment and I suppose its up to people now to make that judgement on the risks involved.

I mean if I was a woman under the age of 50 or so, I would be crapping myself at this point.

I am a 39 year old bloke. I have a feeling I will end up with Moderna but would happily take any
 
Sadly the lower the ages the more risk the AZ vaccine holds.

Its a rock and a hard place at the moment and I suppose its up to people now to make that judgement on the risks involved.

I mean if I was a woman under the age of 50 or so, I would be crapping myself at this point.

My missus had both jabs of das gnats piss without a second thought mate, as did all of the other nurses under 50 that she works with.

As @roydo pointed out so well, every medication carries a minute risk, of which she’s more than aware.

Her attitude is that it’s time to start living again and stop being afraid of everything.
 
My missus had both jabs of das gnats piss without a second thought mate, as did all of the other nurses under 50 that she works with.

As @roydo pointed out so well, every medication carries a minute risk, of which she’s more than aware.

Her attitude is that it’s time to start living again and stop being afraid of everything.
Somebody else hit the nail on the head before.

We know that these vaccines, as with all medicine have a degree of risk.

Vaccines will possibly kill X amount per million, the virus will kill XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX amount per million.

1 of them leaves us hiding in our houses, the other gives us a small possibly brief taste of normal.
 
Hospital figures - 16 deaths were announced today, down 7 on yesterday and down 24 on last Tuesday. 12 deaths were in English hospitals, down 3 on yesterday and down 28 on last week. The 7 day rolling average falls to 36.14

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 20 deaths were announced today, down 6 on yesterday and down 35 on last Tuesday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 30.29

For the 60 day cut off, 26 deaths were announced today, down 5 on yesterday and down 119 on last Tuesday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 65.29
 
Sadly the lower the ages the more risk the AZ vaccine holds.

Its a rock and a hard place at the moment and I suppose its up to people now to make that judgement on the risks involved.

I mean if I was a woman under the age of 50 or so, I would be crapping myself at this point.

Really?
 
Not to mention the untold damage we'd do to people both physically and mentally by extending these lockdowns. There's no question that lockdowns have been necessary over the past year, but how much longer can we go on like this? At what point do we consider people's mental health? It's not sustainable.
Some people don’t seem to accept that the penalty for being one of the fortunate few who experience life is that you will die. Now thats not to say you should not take due care, but getting out of bed is a risk. Get the jab whether AZ,Pfizer, Sputnik and take it from there.
 
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