Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Jebus_lives]

There's been no mixed messaging in regards to the dates though.

The messaging has been clear. And it's been clear that certain tests have to be met.

Anybody with sense knows that.

Ultimately the recovery does need to be as quick as possible and I think the dates will be met barring a real drop off in the vaccine roll out. We've now got enough evidence that it's a combination of lockdown (probably a majority share of the reason) and vaccinations that have helped slow the rate of infection down.

Schools were open 3 weeks and twice weekly testing - also during holiday times too, by the parents - and there's not been a rise in infections. Hospital numbers continue to drop, deaths continue to fall. There's no current reason why the dates won't be met.

That doesn't mean I have faith that the government will make the right call if something starts to go wrong, btw. Just, right now, relatively speaking, it's going well.

I was listening to BBC radio this morning on the school run, the discussion was around Vaccine passports and the UK roadmap. Lots of discussion about dates and deadlines, not a single mention of the tests that are applied to those dates being met.

The media narrative also encourages mass gatherings, because, in spite of the majority adherening to guidelines and advice, the media project that violation of restrictions is the norm - they'll show busy parks, busy beaches, gatherings.

Ultimately it's a debatable issue about the rights and wrongs of providing clear dates (I have my opinions, but it's only my opinion).

The much bigger issue will be the management or not of vaccine passports, the infrastructure that exists around isolation compliance (coupled with T&T).

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

The Post-Vaccine Risk Phase

Olivier Blanchard & Jean Pisani-Ferry foresee economic-policy challenges that can be overcome only when the COVID-19 virus has been fully contained.

www.project-syndicate.org

 

[Jebus_lives]

So, the disastrous roll out of the vaccine in the EU was not due to the EU acting as an entity?

Partly. But not completely.

I admire your angry confidence in the certainty of your opinion that it's completely the fault of the EU though.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Partly. But not completely.

I admire your angry confidence in the certainty of your opinion that it's completely the fault of the EU though.

So who's fault was it then?
Decisions have consequences...

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Pfizer vaccine production to start in France this week

Pfizer vaccine production to start in France this week

www.connexionfrance.com

 

[toffee82]

I was listening to BBC radio this morning on the school run, the discussion was around Vaccine passports and the UK roadmap. Lots of discussion about dates and deadlines, not a single mention of the tests that are applied to those dates being met.

The media narrative also encourages mass gatherings, because, in spite of the majority adherening to guidelines and advice, the media project that violation of restrictions is the norm - they'll show busy parks, busy beaches, gatherings.

Ultimately it's a debatable issue about the rights and wrongs of providing clear dates (I have my opinions, but it's only my opinion).

The much bigger issue will be the management or not of vaccine passports, the infrastructure that exists around isolation compliance (coupled with T&T).

It is the media that is mixing the messages.
Yesterday it was widely expected that BJ would give an update on what foreign travel would look like. He did not. It was guess work by the media.

I have lost count of how many "what the next stages could look like" stories are out there.

 

[Jebus_lives]

So who's fault was it then?
Decisions have consequences...

Your anger issues or your mistaken belief that it is entirely the fault of the EU?

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Your anger issues or your mistaken belief that it is entirely the fault of the EU?

So who's fault was it then?

 

[toffee82]

Very irresponsible article.

One member giving an interview to a local rag.

 

[tsubaki]

So who's fault was it then?

for the delivery of vaccines into arms? the individual countries

 

[Jebus_lives]

So who's fault was it then?

I'm not a psychiatrist.

 

[davids]

It is the media that is mixing the messages.
Yesterday it was widely expected that BJ would give an update on what foreign travel would look like. He did not. It was guess work by the media.

I have lost count of how many "what the next stages could look like" stories are out there.

The conflicting information is the biggest problem. The vaccine stops you from getting the most severe of the symptoms, doesn't stop viral spread. Yet so many think if they are vaccinated they are safe from infection,when they can still get it and pass it on to the unvaccinated.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

For those of you that follow these things more closely than me. Whitty has been talking about a third wave that would potentially be as big as the one we had in January. In January a few million people had had 1 vaccine. By the time things open up again next week that figure is going to be about 32 million. At the same time, a lot of discussion is about having vaccine passports as though the vaccine gives us complete freedom to act as we wish.

Something doesn't add up.

 

[davek]

The EU have problems mainly due to their vaccination issues and also the fact they keep trying to open things up.

Personally as long as deaths stay below around 20,000 per year for COVID its time to open back up completely.

Where have I heard that before....?

 

[davek]

For those of you that follow these things more closely than me. Whitty has been talking about a third wave that would potentially be as big as the one we had in January. In January a few million people had had 1 vaccine. By the time things open up again next week that figure is going to be about 32 million. At the same time, a lot of discussion is about having vaccine passports as though the vaccine gives us complete freedom to act as we wish.

Something doesn't add up.

Basically, the vaccines have been overplayed. They are first generation crude attempts to get on top of a constantly changing environment as the virus mutates. They have been overplayed at the expense of action that actually DOES save lots of lives: track and trace system which is robust and has huge penalties for those not complying. And we also need to be sinking cash into an Operation Warpspeed for therapeutics - something else that makes more sense than the vaccines long term.