Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[navidson]

We sa what happened with that last summer in the drink and food sector. They just cant do it. It;'s not possible to contain the virus indoors. Eat out to help out is now universally accepted to have fanned the flames of mass infection.

Rubbish

The pubs opened on the 4th July - Infection rates stayed steady until mid September, two weeks after schools reopened

I wonder what happened there?

 

[maccavennie]

If only we could put a lasso around the sun and move it closer.

Sure, we'd all be dead but we'll die with a cracking sun tan.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

He means warmer as in Barbados weather mate.

Maybe the Tommeee crew will bring some of the weather back with them when they return from Spain?

 

[COYBL25]

Rubbish

The pubs opened on the 4th July - Infection rates stayed steady until mid September, two weeks after schools reopened

I wonder what happened there?

Nothing at all, which is why he dropped off the face of the earth during that time, only to re appear like Pennywise the Clown around mid September, when it all kicked off again with the schools.

 

[maccavennie]

That would effectively keep roughly 60000 pubs that have no provision for outside drinking, shut forever.

Earth to Dave, come in.

Screw them mate, screw the hospitality sector, don't worry about their job security, mortgages to pay, child minding to cover, jobs that people have been in since they've left school, from cleaners to front of house, bar staff, chefs, admin, they can all do one because these jobs don't serve any purpose. In fact all these people should probably be put in prison for having the nerve to actually be waiting and wanting to go back to work. Could have all gone a plumbing or bricklayer course the last 12 months and retrained themselves the lazy no marks.

 

[COYBL25]

We sa what happened with that last summer in the drink and food sector. They just cant do it. It;'s not possible to contain the virus indoors. Eat out to help out is now universally accepted to have fanned the flames of mass infection.

Please provide evidence of last Summers spiral of death that you keep banging on about ?

 

[tsubaki]

The UK has got 30m people with at least some protection. 3.5-4m with as much protection as is currently viable. That number is gonna double probably inside the next 4 weeks.

I'd argue that the evidence is already there that the strategy has paid off. Millions and millions that wouldn't even have had their first dose, have now got a fair chunk of protection. And that'll help keep the virus at bay.

As we're seeing on the continent, just having the most vulnerable fully vaccinated doesn't really mean a great deal if loads of the general population haven't, because the virus has still got room to spread and do real damage - not just make people mildly ill which is what even the first dose shows evidence of ensuring.

I don’t think you can say that (that delaying the second dose) has been a success with any degree of confidence - we’ve been locked down throughout, and the decline in case numbers / deaths is broadly similar to the first one.

In any case, all we’ve effectively swapped is having a few million Pfizer people less first jabs for having a few million more with two doses, and there’s still nothing that’s come out publicly about how long the protection for one dose lasts. Anecdotally they’ve seemed to quietly swerve from the hard and fast rule that it would be given at 12 weeks and not before, which kind of suggests they might know something we don’t.

 

[COYBL25]

Screw them mate, screw the hospitality sector, don't worry about their job security, mortgages to pay, child minding to cover, jobs that people have been in since they've left school, from cleaners to front of house, bar staff, chefs, admin, they can all do one because these jobs don't serve any purpose. In fact all these people should probably be put in prison for having the nerve to actually be waiting and wanting to go back to work. Could have all gone a plumbing or bricklayer course the last 12 months and retrained themselves the lazy no marks.

For an alleged socialist, a lot of his views don’t really tally with what he is supposed to represent.

 

[Tipp blue]

That would effectively keep roughly 60000 pubs that have no provision for outside drinking, shut forever.

Earth to Dave, come in.

I can see where Dave is coming from, firstly people going around all full of beer aren't going to be the most astute at social distancing. Covid 19 is not going away any time soon if ever what I do think will happen sooner rather than later is that a variant will appear that will be highly contagious but much less lethal it will become dominant and join the other Corona viruses that spread in humans causing nothing more than a common cold.

 

[peteblue]

All very well, until the alcohol clicks in.

The last time we were open we had absolutely no problems, everyone just enjoying being out and behaving sensibly, but that’s the norm anyway. If there is a problem at all it will be with the younger elements in towns and cities, just like always, but even there the publicans are very aware of their responsibilities and will keep them in order. It’s the outside rather than the inside of pubs that worries me the most. Inside is easy to control and ensure rule of 6, mask wearing etc is followed. The outside is more difficult......

 

[toffee82]

If only we could put a lasso around the sun and move it closer.

Sure, we'd all be dead but we'll die with a cracking sun tan.

I might start hitting the beds like I used to the couple of weeks before my holidays abroad with the lads (20 years ago now).

 

[Barnfred 55]

All very well, until the alcohol clicks in.

We sa what happened with that last summer in the drink and food sector. They just cant do it. It;'s not possible to contain the virus indoors. Eat out to help out is now universally accepted to have fanned the flames of mass infection.

Not sure what closing times will be but it was 10pm I think before the latest lockdown. People weren't getting that drunk. And a lot of pubs/restaurants were also limiting drinks to 2/3 per person. There may have been some pubs around the country that were lax with the rules, but I can honestly say that every single pub I went in during the summer/autumn restrictions last year acted 100% within them.

I agree in some places it was worse in the summer Dave. Especially in London where there were scenes of full streets of revellers. But they clamped down on that later in the year. It will be interesting to see what rules are in place when they open in May. As I say, down in Cornwall the rules were strictly adhered to throughout.

As regards the highlighted bit, it was a report by Warwick University that the media was only too happy to jump on to have another pop. I remember reading it at the time and thinking there's an awful lot of assumption being made in the report. Funny though Dave, how it is that British Universities aren't so bad after all when their findings happen to conform with your own warped views.

 

[peteblue]

Please provide evidence of last Summers spiral of death that you keep banging on about ?

I’d love to see this. It didn’t happen, and it certainly didn’t happen in pubs. Wetherspoons registered 50 million people on the premises last year with the trace app with no reports of spread of infection. We did the same in our little place as did all the other village pubs. There were no instances of Covid infection. Infection mostly took place in Hospitals, Care Homes, and gatherings in private homes.....

 

[peteblue]

For an alleged socialist, a lot of his views don’t really tally with what he is supposed to represent.

He’s an authoritarian right wing socialist.....

 

[Barnfred 55]

The UK has got 30m people with at least some protection. 3.5-4m with as much protection as is currently viable. That number is gonna double probably inside the next 4 weeks.

I'd argue that the evidence is already there that the strategy has paid off. Millions and millions that wouldn't even have had their first dose, have now got a fair chunk of protection. And that'll help keep the virus at bay.

As we're seeing on the continent, just having the most vulnerable fully vaccinated doesn't really mean a great deal if loads of the general population haven't, because the virus has still got room to spread and do real damage - not just make people mildly ill which is what even the first dose shows evidence of ensuring.

I accept that the 12 week period between jabs was to some extent a gamble by our government, but I believe that it was an educated one and that it had scientific support. It certainly made sense to me and, for once, had the overwhelming support of this countries population, with just the odd dissenter (same as on here really)

With each new piece of research/evidence coming through we're finding more and more that it was the correct decision to make and, fortunately to some extent, the gamble paid off.

What I don't understand is, now that the evidence is there, why aren't other countries following suit? If I was German or French or Italian, I'd be screaming for my government to do what the British had done and get a single dose into as many people as quickly as possible. But I don't think any of them are even considering it. Why?