Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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peteblue said:
Pro rata, you have very slightly better in-hospital figures than the U.K. which Is great. Unfortunately you do not have anything like the U.K. inoculation percentages which keeps driving our numbers down. Your new cases are about 40-50% higher than the U.K., again pro rata, but seem flat and the deaths are at about twice the U.K. numbers, but still low. I don’t know if this helps when comparing your route map against the U.K. route map to exit.....
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Think both countries are hitting an average pro rata, ours is 500, yours is 5000, will ebb and flow from there day to day, depending on what both countries do with restrictions. I think that’s about 100 cases and 1000k cases in old COVID money before the U.K. variant.

Not sure on average our deaths are twice pro rata, we go days without any at all. It depends on what period your looking at. Overall during the whole COVID period we’ve obviously had an easier time mercifully.

But it’s lovely seeing the U.K. rip figures today and recently, when you look back on what they were you really see what a miracle the vaccines have been.
 
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Neiler said:
Everyone’s going of their nut mate. Have to say I’ve seen both sides of it, I’ve worked frontline through the toughest periods of this and it’s been horffic and despite being fully vaccinated, it’s only Weds since the last time I had to fully gown up, full PPE to be in with a patient.

Then I’m browned off not being able to go to gym, holiday and in general move on with life beyond a trip to the super market. There is little to look forward to even support your mental health in what is the toughest periods I’ve worked through in healthcare.

I think the fear with opening up and I’d share this is we went from 200 cases a day, to 8.2k a day from late Dec to the middle of January. I’d be pretty clued up infection and protection control, the Mrs birthday was the Friday before Xmas last year and we went into the City for a bite to eat. I was honestly terrified, knowing what I knew I could see the whole of society interacting in an devil may care was one big COVID soup, I wasn’t surprised we saw the numbers in Jan, we abandoned sanity for Xmas. It was a massive wrench and blow for morale, we spent all last year wrestling with COVID in work and crawled to Xmas for a break, only to be hit with a third wave in Jan because everyone wanted a normal Christmas. In all honesty we can’t be trusted.

When you are at home and keeping with restrictions, it seems as if it’s overdone and not making a meaningful diffference, people don’t see what I do and they really do make such a massive difference, it’s only now we are getting a bit of a breather not just from COVID surges, but be able to work with other people who need help that we couldn’t help because of COVID surges.

Restriction are frustrating for everyone, but they really do make a massive difference on the frontline.
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I understand it makes a difference to the frontline, I've been back to work for a few weeks now, I dont understand how I can be in a small classroom with a bunch of students from different households some of whom would be classed as vulnerable while others need me to be right beside them to ensure they are getting their work done properly, but yet I can't go to a friends house for a chat in the garden 10 foot apart.
I dont want the schools to close again it is a disaster for special needs students home schooling was no substitute for the real thing for them. But after Easter once the mainstream students are fully back there will be almost 1000 students and 80 staff from around 600ish households, I just dont get it, the restrictions dont seem to correspond to the threat at the moment.
 
Tipp blue said:
I understand it makes a difference to the frontline, I've been back to work for a few weeks now, I dont understand how I can be in a small classroom with a bunch of students from different households some of whom would be classed as vulnerable while others need me to be right beside them to ensure they are getting their work done properly, but yet I can't go to a friends house for a chat in the garden 10 foot apart.
I dont want the schools to close again it is a disaster for special needs students home schooling was no substitute for the real thing for them. But after Easter once the mainstream students are fully back there will be almost 1000 students and 80 staff from around 600ish households, I just dont get it, the restrictions dont seem to correspond to the threat at the moment.
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The School issue is a tricky one, especially for those with special needs. The Goverment over here haven’t handled it well. I also think schools haven’t been supported enough in infection control, to be frank I think it’s risky. Whatever about being able to control the school environment your not going to stop kids and teenagers interacting to and from and during. I wouldn’t have anyone back in schools bar special needs and exam years personally. Was looking at the age groups of infection rates the other day and it’s flliped from older adults, to teenagers and young adults pushing our infection rates now. Just my opinion.

I get where you are coming from, I’ve been fully vaccinated, yet like you say can’t stand in a garden for 10 mins with pals or be beyond 5k apart from work. Still think at the moment, we have a fragile hold on this, I’d hang on a bit more, get a high % of the population vaccinated, the second quarter is the one when things will really get going! Just my opinion mind.
 
The rules don't make sense. The parks and beaches are packed people out and about everywhere. Yet I am not allowed to stand on a tee box out in the fresh air and swing a golf club.
 
Neiler said:
Think both countries are hitting an average pro rata, ours is 500, yours is 5000, will ebb and flow from there day to day, depending on what both countries do with restrictions. I think that’s about 100 cases and 1000k cases in old COVID money before the U.K. variant.

Not sure on average our deaths are twice pro rata, we go days without any at all. It depends on what period your looking at. Overall during the whole COVID period we’ve obviously had an easier time mercifully.

But it’s lovely seeing the U.K. rip figures today and recently, when you look back on what they were you really see what a miracle the vaccines have been.
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I just used the last 7 days figures....
 
Tipp blue said:
They have been back dating deaths, most of those would have been in January or February, they allow 3 months for a death to be notified, when it is they lump it in with the next days figures, they tell us that the number includes x amount from January x amount from February, then as it gets announced as a daily figure is skews the rolling average.
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Anyway, however it’s counted, they are down and in the right ballpark.....
 
Tipp blue said:
I understand it makes a difference to the frontline, I've been back to work for a few weeks now, I dont understand how I can be in a small classroom with a bunch of students from different households some of whom would be classed as vulnerable while others need me to be right beside them to ensure they are getting their work done properly, but yet I can't go to a friends house for a chat in the garden 10 foot apart.
I dont want the schools to close again it is a disaster for special needs students home schooling was no substitute for the real thing for them. But after Easter once the mainstream students are fully back there will be almost 1000 students and 80 staff from around 600ish households, I just dont get it, the restrictions dont seem to correspond to the threat at the moment.
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I agree, I think we are now over doing it. But everyone has been scared shitless over this and are now very wary .....
 
Neiler said:
The School issue is a tricky one, especially for those with special needs. The Goverment over here haven’t handled it well. I also think schools haven’t been supported enough in infection control, to be frank I think it’s risky. Whatever about being able to control the school environment your not going to stop kids and teenagers interacting to and from and during. I wouldn’t have anyone back in schools bar special needs and exam years personally. Was looking at the age groups of infection rates the other day and it’s flliped from older adults, to teenagers and young adults pushing our infection rates now. Just my opinion.

I get where you are coming from, I’ve been fully vaccinated, yet like you say can’t stand in a garden for 10 mins with pals or be beyond 5k apart from work. Still think at the moment, we have a fragile hold on this, I’d hang on a bit more, get a high % of the population vaccinated, the second quarter is the one when things will really get going! Just my opinion mind.
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That’s the issue, get as many vaccinations done.....
 
I’d heard that France required a longish set of forms/approvals to be filled in before getting the vaccine but didn’t realise Germany was doing similar...is this true ?

”Cardiologist Dr Joachim Wunderlich, who has helped at a vaccination centre in Berlin, told CBS News that the bureaucratic process for people to get vaccinated in Germany was 'unbelievable'.

He added that the amount of paperwork involved was 'insane'.

'You can't expect an over-80-year-old to fill out 10 pages and numerous consent forms and ask them to call a hotline to make an appointment. And then they risk being turned away because they forgot some forms at home.'

Wunderlich continued: 'The pandemic is daunting enough, bureaucracy and data protection laws shouldn't make it even worse.“.....
 
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