Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[blulouie]

And then we can extend this principle to smokers, car drivers, big drinkers.......in other words, privatisation.

Smokers , car drivers & big drinkers have paid taxes to the hilt mate.

There's no tax collection for covid and a simple free jab can save many lives including the NHS staff that care for you while you have it.

 

[roydo]

Nationally that is the case. But here in the north west there are areas that simply cant get on top of the virus other than by a complete lockdown. Towns where there's multi-generational house occupancy; a lot of front line or key workers making contact with the virus; low income and poor health.

These places cant tolerate reopening. The infection rate will steeply rise in no time and then spread out from there.

But thats the point I was making. The infection rate might rise purely because they are testing way more people. Like, I dont know if thats the case, but that again goes back to the delivery of the data. Blunt.

On the table they did publish, by quite a way, the decreases were more than the increases, so the trend is down, if not in every borough or district.

And the really important stuff, the reason we are all doing this, is hospital admissions and deaths. They were also absent.

 

[edge]

But if there are no foreign holidays this year people will be forced to holiday at home. Those figures assume that the Spanish will all sit at home and won't spend a cent in their own country.

They will and they more than likely do already think its 2 out of 3 spend holidays at home
dont blame them, I would if I lived there.
Factor in the pandemic effect on the economy , job losses ect travel restrictions ect into the equation and its unlikely they will get anywhere near those figures
that's the the brits spend in one year.
Wouldnt be surprised if Boris says its unsafe to travel just to boost the home market tourist market anyway.
Hope not because I am supposed to be over there myself twice this year in July and September.
Though most I know especially with kids are staying home this year or leaving it late and looking at Turkey quite a few in work seem to be doing that , or turning there gardens into mini entertainment venues , bars , hot tubs ect
Qp

 

[mrb85]

"Lockdowns work"

Unfortunately they only stand a chance of working if there is total lockdown for a long time, and even then they need to be supported by vaccination. Generally all they do is extend the timeline over which the impact is felt. That's why until every government in the world panicked last spring the global plan as agreed by all governments (and the WHO) as to how to react to a large scale pandemic had one key policy thread -- do not lockdown.

 

[davek]

But thats the point I was making. The infection rate might rise purely because they are testing way more people. Like, I dont know if thats the case, but that again goes back to the delivery of the data. Blunt.

On the table they did publish, by quite a way, the decreases were more than the increases, so the trend is down, if not in every borough or district.

And the really important stuff, the reason we are all doing this, is hospital admissions and deaths. They were also absent.

It stands to reason to me that when the restrictions come to an end places where the virus has embedded itself will become generators for transmission that will quickly spread beyond those locations. We needed to have the whole adult population vaccinated before moving to end restrictions.

 

[tsubaki]

Smokers , car drivers & big drinkers have paid taxes to the hilt mate.

There's no tax collection for covid and a simple free jab can save many lives including the NHS staff that care for you while you have it.

car drivers haven't; theres not been an increase in fuel duty for eleven years

 

[mrb85]

It helps to have both. Lockdown bringing the extremely high rate down has been needed, alongside vaccines working to limit the impact of infections.

Mandatory masks in shops has been helpful.

There was never a silver bullet, a range of measures was always needed.

Even though the typical mask worn is a porous textile material with numerous minute holes in it? Do you really think the invading virus, which bear in mind is not visible to the human eye, can't readily, and without much obstruction, get through?

 

[davek]

Even though the typical mask worn is a porous textile material with numerous minute holes in it? Do you really think the invading virus, which bear in mind is not visible to the human eye, can't readily, and without much obstruction, get through?

It reduces the chance of larger particles of the virus getting out.

FFS, have you read anything about the advantages of mask wearing in the last 12 months?

 

[roydo]

It stands to reason to me that when the restrictions come to an end places where the virus has embedded itself will become generators for transmission that will quickly spread beyond those locations. We needed to have the whole adult population vaccinated before moving to end restrictions.

They have said, repeatedly, that an increase in infections will rise when the restrictions are lifted. But with the top 9 of age groups/workers jabbed, (who were 99% of admissions/deaths), whilst unpleasant for the few who could get a nasty dose, its the pathway.

This cannot be eliminated. A jab is no guarantee. Maybe in a few decades, it might be. But we cant as a society wait for that.

Basically, if admissions and death are at a level that can be tolerated, literally, by the NHS, thats the end game.

 

[davids]

Tourism in Spain is the third major contributor to national economic life after the industrial and the business/banking sectors, contributing about 10–11% of Spain's GDP. in 2018 it was responsible for 13.5% of total employment.
That's a hell of a game changer if it goes belly up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Spain

No doubt all of Southern Europe will suffer this year,the figures can be a little misleading though as they quote the amount the British spend on a Spanish holiday without taking into account the cost of flights with the likes of easyJet and Ryanair plus the commissions taken from Spanish hotels by UK travel agents. Londoners will see a big difference this year as you normally can't walk twenty yards without tripping over a Japanese or American tourist. So not a good Summer for anyone sadly.

 

[peteblue]

Its the weird way the data is presented mate. Using % rise from a lowish base can look alarming, add in that they do not say how many are actually being tested, and pretty blunt conclusions can be made.

The other week, my area had a 100% increase in cases, and moved the area from surpressed, to light green. It was 2 to 4 in reality.

This week, its back to under 3. Granted, areas of denser and larger populations will obvs be more liable to a rise, but nationally, the trend, (the important bit) is firmly downward looking.

3...3.....you’re just trying to murder the rest of us...... your 3 plus our 0-3 will mean another 6 month lockdown....

edit, ah, under 3.....as you were....

 

[roydo]

It reduces the chance of larger particles of the virus getting out.

I just wish more folk got that.

I wear a mask to protect you, not me. You wear a mask to protect me, not you. Its not difficult is it?

 

[blulouie]

car drivers haven't; theres not been an increase in fuel duty for eleven years

Still a lot paid in duty as most of it is duty. Same with fags & drink.

 

[peteblue]

I see the EMA are investigating in case smoking or the pill caused those clot issues. Surely they should ban both just to be on the safe side......

 

[tsubaki]

Still a lot paid in duty as most of it is duty. Same with fags & drink.

fags and drink have gone up though - cars haven't, even though the health issues are more well known now than they were in 2010