Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[blulouie]

fags and drink have gone up though - cars haven't, even though the health issues are more well known now than they were in 2010

Thats before VAT btw.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Unfortunately they only stand a chance of working if there is total lockdown for a long time, and even then they need to be supported by vaccination. Generally all they do is extend the timeline over which the impact is felt. That's why until every government in the world panicked last spring the global plan as agreed by all governments (and the WHO) as to how to react to a large scale pandemic had one key policy thread -- do not lockdown.

Plenty of evidence that, if you lockdown early enough and strongly enough, you restrict spread. Unfortunately, as we have seen too often, the time lockdown gives has been wasted and as such, countries have had to repeat the lockdown process to regain control.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Even though the typical mask worn is a porous textile material with numerous minute holes in it? Do you really think the invading virus, which bear in mind is not visible to the human eye, can't readily, and without much obstruction, get through?

Seriously?!?

 

[roydo]

Seriously?!?

The sort of masks worn by most of us are mainly to stop stuff getting out, not in.

 

[davek]

They have said, repeatedly, that an increase in infections will rise when the restrictions are lifted. But with the top 9 of age groups/workers jabbed, (who were 99% of admissions/deaths), whilst unpleasant for the few who could get a nasty dose, its the pathway.

This cannot be eliminated. A jab is no guarantee. Maybe in a few decades, it might be. But we cant as a society wait for that.

Basically, if admissions and death are at a level that can be tolerated, literally, by the NHS, thats the end game.

There'll be a surge and we'll get levels of fatalities again like last spring and this winter.

 

[mrb85]

It reduces the chance of larger particles of the virus getting out.

FFS, have you read anything about the advantages of mask wearing in the last 12 months?

Smokers , car drivers & big drinkers have paid taxes to the hilt mate.

There's no tax collection for covid and a simple free jab can save many lives including the NHS staff that care for you while you have it.

Ahh, I get it -- if you're sufficiently well off to spend your money on cigs, booze, cars etc then you won't have to pay the cost? Bizarre pro-capitalist thinking there fella.

It reduces the chance of larger particles of the virus getting out.

FFS, have you read anything about the advantages of mask wearing in the last 12 months?

I have thanks, and results are inconclusive on the matter of whether they afford much protection for the prospective infected individual though perhaps beneficial to hinder the spread of the virus from someone already infected. Thing is, put a textile mask on, hold a lighted candle directly in front of your mouth, and blow -- the candle will flicker or even go out.

 

[roydo]

There'll be a surge and we'll get levels of fatalities again like last spring and this winter.

Well, there will be a rise.

The levels of admissions and deaths, we very much hope, will not follow. Certainly not like we have seen. The evidence they have collated since the vax started do confirm that. So far.

 

[edge]

No doubt all of Southern Europe will suffer this year,the figures can be a little misleading though as they quote the amount the British spend on a Spanish holiday without taking into account the cost of flights with the likes of easyJet and Ryanair plus the commissions taken from Spanish hotels by UK travel agents. Londoners will see a big difference this year as you normally can't walk twenty yards without tripping over a Japanese or American tourist. So not a good Summer for anyone sadly.

Think your right cant see anywhere going back to passed levels for a couple of years at least.

 

[mrb85]

Well end of the day people have been badly impacted by this all across the board. It's all relative.

I lost loads of work. Luckily got some back. But it's been a big hit for me. Fortunately, though, everyone I know well and all my immediate family have avoided getting really ill from COVID so that's a big plus- obviously.

There's a line between being able to air concerns fairly and then being weirdly selfish, like. I know everyone has been affected one way or the other through this though there's no doubt it's a lot easier to take if you haven't lost your job or your main interests haven't been totally cast aside as unimportant and stuff.

Not all negatively though.

 

[tsubaki]

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Thats before VAT btw.

that is down to the drop in oil price:

the fuel duty tax rate hasn't gone up since 2010, so to say they've been taxed to the hilt is wrong

 

[peteblue]

Think your right cant see anywhere going back to passed levels for a couple of years at least.

You would have to be mad to leave a country where levels of Covid are decreasing daily and inoculations rising spectacularly to mix with a load of people in a country where the number of cases is rising and their inoculation rate is abysmal....

 

[Wizard]

Even though the typical mask worn is a porous textile material with numerous minute holes in it? Do you really think the invading virus, which bear in mind is not visible to the human eye, can't readily, and without much obstruction, get through?

 

[blulouie]

Ahh, I get it -- if you're sufficiently well off to spend your money on cigs, booze, cars etc then you won't have to pay the cost? Bizarre pro-capitalist thinking there fella.

I have thanks, and results are inconclusive on the matter of whether they afford much protection for the prospective infected individual though perhaps beneficial to hinder the spread of the virus from someone already infected. Thing is, put a textile mask on, hold a lighted candle directly in front of your mouth, and blow -- the candle will flicker or even go out.

Dont understand your logic at all fella.
You where intimating certain members of society etc should get the bill if anything happens to them.
Comparing it to anyone that refuses a jab that could cost their own life plus many others around them & NHS staff that would have to treat them.
Not very sound logic .

 

[mrb85]

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Thats before VAT btw.

VAT as an ad valorem tax wouldn't alter the broad conclusion anyway - would just give higher numbers. But are you sure the chart doesn't include VAT?

 

[blulouie]

that is down to the drop in oil price:

the fuel duty tax rate hasn't gone up since 2010, so to say they've been taxed to the hilt is wrong

As i said the majority of a litre of fuel ( just like beer & alcohol ) is mainly duty.

But lets get back on topic.