Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Spadge Vernacular]

My sister in-law lives in Los Angeles and she`s just had her first jab of gnats piss this week.

The area of L.A. that she lives in is only rolling out the gnats piss.

Please do carry on spreading your gospel of lies and doom though.

If Dave was part of a double act known as Doom and Gloom, who would Gloom be?

 

[Paris]

I'm having a dark moment. It genuinely feels as if we're never going to get out of this, the travel ban (for those who do not have second homes abroad) being continued beyond May just takes the absolute piss. We should be looking forward to our summer getaways but nope. We're going to be stuck at home for at least another half a year at this rate. All because some boomers might die, whilst other boomers are free to flee to their second homes. Meanwhile, our nation's youth and those who should be starting their careers are being absolutely farked.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I agree with the first three paragraphs as the day has gone I've deconstructed it and that a fair analysis mate, we will wait for clarification in the next 48 hours. Its always AZ there is problem with though, maybe you are right and its a global conspiracy, maybe there is a conscious or unconscious bias, maybe there is some justification there in a less rigorous approach in competency - its all open to opinion really. Our opinions dont meet on them as a company.

My own opinion and i have no problem sharing it is, i dont think they are a very competent company for something required in this scale - or maybe the scale of what they have taken on is beyond them is fairer, thats based on a number of things and i think everyone knows the issue in initial research, dosing, regulation, manufacturing, and again other issues, they are well documented, it just seems errors are repetitive, avoidable and always AZ.

I honestly dont want my opinion on AZ confused with the vaccine, because its a wonderful one, i think its let down by working with AZ - you know my opinions on the genesis of that collaboration to and we wont agree on that either. But that's fine, i enjoy reading contradicting opinions and the one you posted yesterday as i said was very thought provoking.

For me, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. They might lack the scale of some other bigger pharma but they are an established company and aware of the protocols.

Oxford is the architect of the vaccine, whether or not AZ was their first choice in a partner they will have to have had reassurances and agreement before moving forward.

The fact that both have agreed to do this at cost in many respects makes them the only really serious contender re the need to vaccinate the developing world also (cold chain logistics being a factor also).

Contrast that commitment with this;

Pfizer CEO sold $5.6 million of stock as company announced vaccine data that sent shares soaring

Bourla is not the first pharmaceutical or biotech executive to cash in on his company's stock gains during the pandemic.

www.cnbc.com

And you get a whiff of the PR battle they are truly up against.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

For me, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. They might lack the scale of some other bigger pharma but they are an established company and aware of the protocols.

Oxford is the architect of the vaccine, whether or not AZ was their first choice in a partner they will have to have had reassurances and agreement before moving forward.

The fact that both have agreed to do this at cost in many respects makes them the only really serious contender re the need to vaccinate the developing world also (cold chain logistics being a factor also).

Contrast that commitment with this;

Pfizer CEO sold $5.6 million of stock as company announced vaccine data that sent shares soaring

Bourla is not the first pharmaceutical or biotech executive to cash in on his company's stock gains during the pandemic.

www.cnbc.com

And you get a whiff of the PR battle they are truly up against.

And in relation to the above, I think that we can all agree that those of us with true socialist values would never back the corporate exploitation that the likes of Pfizer want to hold the world ransom to! Am I right comrade @davek

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

But do you think we will ever get out of this unless many other pharma companies follow AZs suit and produce their vaccines at cost or the less rich countries. Or at least to provide plants to produce Oxfords vaccine at cost. Until we vaccine the whole world we're going nowhere and we aren't going to do that when they're charging what they are at the moment.

Just got to this

 

[Mrk]

I'm having a dark moment. It genuinely feels as if we're never going to get out of this, the travel ban (for those who do not have second homes abroad) being continued beyond May just takes the absolute piss. We should be looking forward to our summer getaways but nope. We're going to be stuck at home for at least another half a year at this rate. All because some boomers might die, whilst other boomers are free to flee to their second homes. Meanwhile, our nation's youth and those who should be starting their careers are being absolutely farked.

The media (and some posters on here...) revel in bad news and point to every obstacle in our way as divine proof that everything is hopeless and they were right all along. I've learnt to ignore it and feel an awful lot better for it.

Trust in the science and ignore the noise.

 

[davek]

Just have to look at critical care beds in the UK to see how our NHS is being mismanaged, and we have significant less than many of our contemporaries world wide. Not even going wonder into league tables and willy waving against the EU.

Covid-19: Critical care beds shortage prompts calls for review

The UK has 7.3 critical care beds per 100,000 people, compared to Germany's 33.8 and the US's 34.3.

www.bbc.co.uk

Many of the people who'll need that care voted for the murderer and would do so again.

It's heartbreaking. The staggering scale of what the Tories have done is barely highlighted by their whores in the media.

 

[Paris]

The media (and some posters on here...) revel in bad news and point to every obstacle in our way as divine proof that everything is hopeless and they were right all along. I've learnt to ignore it and feel an awful lot better for it.

Trust in the science and ignore the noise.

Kind of difficult to do that when some people within SAGE are saying that there's going to be social distancing measures in place for years and when they support a continued travel ban with no end in sight.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I'm having a dark moment. It genuinely feels as if we're never going to get out of this, the travel ban (for those who do not have second homes abroad) being continued beyond May just takes the absolute piss. We should be looking forward to our summer getaways but nope. We're going to be stuck at home for at least another half a year at this rate. All because some boomers might die, whilst other boomers are free to flee to their second homes. Meanwhile, our nation's youth and those who should be starting their careers are being absolutely farked.

I reckon you could have fun anywhere. I can see a summer of debauchery ahead of you

 

[davek]

The government has made mistakes, including the PM, the Cabinet, the CMO and CSA. Did we lock down too late ?was it hard enough? Did we reopen too soon ? Did we allow our borders to stay open too long? All of these things will have an answer and all of these things will have already been learnt by the above who were not blessed with hindsight. However it is not ideology that drives me, rather what are we doing now and what further things can we do to improve. And tbh, at the moment, from both a medical and economic point we are doing OK.....

Why are you asking if those things happened. They did.

You're incapbable of calling a spade a spade.

If you were capable of doing so, you'd simply say "Yes, this PM made decisions that have cost tens of thousands of lives that need not have been lost".

There's no LP member who would ever balk at the truth of Blair's mass murder. Maybe you can be as honest?

 

[Mrk]

Kind of difficult to do that when some people within SAGE are saying that there's going to be social distancing measures in place for years and when they support a continued travel ban with no end in sight.

You've got to look at it in the whole though - 6 months ago the idea that 28 million brits would have had a potentially life-saving vaccine by the middle of March would have been laughable.

It's easy to pick out things we don't like about this 'new normal', but I won't be complaining if we're back to 80% of normality in a few months time after a year of 0%.

 

[peteblue]

Why are you asking if those things happened. They did.

You're incapbable of calling a spade a spade.

If you were capable of doing so, you'd simply say "Yes, this PM made decisions that have cost tens of thousands of lives that need not have been lost".

There's no LP member who would ever balk at the truth of Blair's mass murder. Maybe you can be as honest?

 

[davek]

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How is that an adequate answer to my question?

 

[Paris]

You've got to look at it in the whole though - 6 months ago the idea that 28 million brits would have had a potentially life-saving vaccine by the middle of March would have been laughable.

It's easy to pick out things we don't like about this 'new normal', but I won't be complaining if we're back to 80% of normality in a few months time after a year of 0%.

It's also the unfairness of it all as well. You can travel abroad if you have a second home. WTF is that all about.

 

[davek]

I'm having a dark moment. It genuinely feels as if we're never going to get out of this, the travel ban (for those who do not have second homes abroad) being continued beyond May just takes the absolute piss. We should be looking forward to our summer getaways but nope. We're going to be stuck at home for at least another half a year at this rate. All because some boomers might die, whilst other boomers are free to flee to their second homes. Meanwhile, our nation's youth and those who should be starting their careers are being absolutely farked.

Cry me a river, you selfish get.