Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Chris O'Connor]

As it topical Welsh NHS had no role in procurement or the amount it received in any of the COVID vaccines, its all managed centrally from Westminster. You are factually wrong.

I'm not factually wrong, you may be misinterpreting it and giving it more meaning than it actually contained.

The choice I'm talking about is the way in which our system is funded as opposed to a largely private insurance model or a mixture of statutory and private insurance which operate in most countries.

The levels of funding don't change the model. I didn't go into any detail about how the funding levels are set only commenting that there are separate devolved systems that operate.

Reminder as to what I posted about the UK alone....

'It's again not something we have any choice about as our system is publicly funded and free for all at source with the devolved governments having their own systems. Generally it runs at around 8% of our Gross domestic product (GDP)' .

...That's it no real detail and nothing else about the UK !!!!!

There is no mention of breakdown here or the details on what and what isn't devolved as to decisions on funds etc. It's almost as if you're being 'chippy' on purpose.

 

[peteblue]

My thoughts in a way. Not so much a political or nationalistic thing, more likely an inter big pharma struggle.
After all
multinational big pharma can easily control governments.

They don’t control governments, they exert influence...

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Do well to remember that. I never forget its just "social media".

As it topical Welsh NHS had no role in procurement or the amount it received in any of the COVID vaccines, its all managed centrally from Westminster. You are factually wrong that all NHS matters are fully devolved.

As an add on although not contained in my original post

In the UK, the National Health Service (NHS) is the umbrella term for the four health systems of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

That is all I really said not how funding is allocated

I've also noticed you qualified 'You are factually wrong.' to add on 'that all NHS matters are fully devolved'

Something which makes little difference either as I never commented on any detail and didn't say the contrary anyway - as you seem to infer.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Generally it runs at around 8% of our Gross domestic product (GDP)'

Generally 8%, equates to millions of pounds of services being or not.

Of course where it really matters is the individual, the service they need to help manage their health, start factoring in something like inflation your general 8% is just glib Tory government slogans to who it matters, the person needing medical and social care.

Also funding has to increase with an ageing population and associated increase in cost.

Spending Round: major challenges remain for health, social care and wider public services | The Health Foundation

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Few less nukes maybe.

Frankly I don't really care what rest of the world is up to that's up to them to judge their governments.

It's almost as if you're being 'chippy' on purpose.

If you don't like it there is ignore feature an invaluable feature of most social media.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

This would be funny if it weren't so serious , you mean there are issues with batches of AZ.


"In the last week, we've had a batch of 1.7 million doses delayed because of the need to retest its stability.

"Events like this are to be expected in a manufacturing endeavor of this complexity and this shows the rigour of our safety checks.


or are we just being awkward and spiteful just some other European countries.

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Neiler]

Details account for the pause in AZ.

‘It’s a very special picture.’ Why vaccine safety experts put the brakes on AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine

European doctors see an unusual combination of blood clots, low platelet counts, and internal bleeding in more than 13 vaccinated people

www.sciencemag.org

The article is interesting. One theory is that maybe these people were asymptomatic when they got the vaccine and a combination of the vaccine and live virus lead to an overwhelming immune response Surely that can be checked quite quickly. We know clotting is a symptom of covid.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Generally 8%, equates to millions of pounds of services being or not.

Of course where it really matters is the individual, the service they need to help manage their health, start factoring in something like inflation your general 8% is just glib Tory government slogans to who it matters, the person needing medical and social care.

Also funding has to increase with an ageing population and associated increase in cost.

Spending Round: major challenges remain for health, social care and wider public services | The Health Foundation

The Health Foundation is an independent charity committed to bringing about better health and health care for people in the UK. Find out more about us.

www.health.org.uk

Few less nukes maybe.

Frankly I don't really care what rest of the world is up to that's up to them to judge their governments.

If you don't like it there is ignore feature an invaluable feature of most social media.

Wandering away from the point, going off at a tangent by switching the subject to something entirely different or answering the question you'd rather have been asked instead is common enough, you have it down to a tee.

 

[tsubaki]

Details account for the pause in AZ.

‘It’s a very special picture.’ Why vaccine safety experts put the brakes on AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine

European doctors see an unusual combination of blood clots, low platelet counts, and internal bleeding in more than 13 vaccinated people

www.sciencemag.org

The article is interesting. One theory is that maybe these people were asymptomatic when they got the vaccine and a combination of the vaccine and live virus lead to an overwhelming immune response Surely that can be checked quite quickly. We know clotting is a symptom of covid.

if that is what’s happened, then thank Christ that’s been picked up - they should be able to screen for that

 

[Neiler]

if that is what’s happened, then thank Christ that’s been picked up - they should be able to screen for that

Be interesting to see what the EMA say, its one possible theory and to be honest its crossed my mind since the pause.

We arent testing before the vaccine over here, so maybe its a matter of doing that.

 

[tsubaki]

Be interesting to see what the EMA say, its one possible theory and to be honest its crossed my mind since the pause.

We arent testing before the vaccine over here, so maybe its a matter of doing that.

TBF they’d have to, if that’s what has happened.

 

[Neiler]

TBF they’d have to, if that’s what has happened.

Logistically it would add another complication and mean a dual process testing system - not impossible im sure, might be worthwhile buying shares in antigen testing!!

But maybe we're jumping the gun, its just one theory put forward in an article!

Interesting that cohort are health workers and public servants though - they would be in the high risk category of getting Covid and also high priority to receiving the vaccine, that might explain the anomaly to general population stats. Im speculating with all that though.

 

[davek]

Be interesting to see what the EMA say, its one possible theory and to be honest its crossed my mind since the pause.

We arent testing before the vaccine over here, so maybe its a matter of doing that.

What are the symptoms they mention there besides easily bruising?

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Details account for the pause in AZ.

‘It’s a very special picture.’ Why vaccine safety experts put the brakes on AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine

European doctors see an unusual combination of blood clots, low platelet counts, and internal bleeding in more than 13 vaccinated people

www.sciencemag.org

The article is interesting. One theory is that maybe these people were asymptomatic when they got the vaccine and a combination of the vaccine and live virus lead to an overwhelming immune response Surely that can be checked quite quickly. We know clotting is a symptom of covid.

In Germany they've had concerns on unusual cases of the rare cerebral thrombosis in people who had received it, almost entirely young to middle aged women. It may be risks are higher for certain patient groups (younger women).

Other experts say the episodes of blood clots, bleeding and low platelet counts in younger people seemed to indicate a causal connection to the AstraZeneca shot.

Leading epidemiologists have already noted that similar cases have not been found in unusual numbers in Britain amongst any particilar groups, and they began using AstraZeneca earlier and have given more than 10 million doses.

As has been posted a very likely explanation of at least some of the clotting disorders seen are a result of (asymptomatic?) COVID-19 rather than the vaccine,

 

[Toast]

No deaths in Hampshire hospitals today.

Don’t balls this up now FFS

 

[tsubaki]

In Germany they've had concerns on unusual cases of the rare cerebral thrombosis in people who had received it, almost entirely young to middle aged women. It may be risks are higher for certain patient groups (younger women).

Other experts say the episodes of blood clots, bleeding and low platelet counts in younger people seemed to indicate a causal connection to the AstraZeneca shot.

Leading epidemiologists have already noted that similar cases have not been found in unusual numbers in Britain amongst any particilar groups, and they began using AstraZeneca earlier and have given more than 10 million doses.

As has been posted a very likely explanation of at least some of the clotting disorders seen are a result of (asymptomatic?) COVID-19 rather than the vaccine,

They’ve just announced there’s been five cases, and one death, of this type in the UK :

UK Covid: Boris Johnson says vaccine supply issues will not lead to change in roadmap out of lockdown – as it happened

PM holds press conference; MHRA says no evidence AstraZenca vaccine causes blood clots and benefits outweigh risks but issues new advice

www.theguardian.com

If it is jab related, they really do need to bottom this out ASAP.