Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[roydo]

I've tackled that.

The claims previously of protection from the vaccine was not reliant on there being low infection rates - there'd be low fatality rates in any case amongst the vulnerable without the vaccine in that circumstance.

No, there are goalposts being shifted here. The vaccines have been portrayed as a backstop for all but the most very vulnerable. But the staggering figure Whitty gave in relation to a surge under a rushed unlocking of restrictions does not fit that bill. It suggests a greater failure rate for the vaccines amongst the vulnerable than has hitherto been suggested.

No. It doesnt.

Lets say, to make this understandable, and what we do know about this thing, we opened up tomorrow.

Folk who have had 2 jabs would be better protected than most.

Folk who had a first jab more than 3 weeks ago would be protected a little bit less.

Folk who had a first jab less than 3 weeks ago might not be protected at all.

Folk who had no jab, would be the most likely to have zero protection.

But no one would be 100% protected.

He was asked what would happen if we did that. Reopen now/quicker. That was what he responded to.

Then, to make it crystal clear, if he was asked what would happen if we continued this data driven, slow, cautious reopen, his answer would have been the ones in black.

 

[Goat]

I've tackled that.

The claims previously of protection from the vaccine was not reliant on there being low infection rates - there'd be low fatality rates in any case amongst the vulnerable without the vaccine in that circumstance.

No, there are goalposts being shifted here. The vaccines have been portrayed as a backstop for all but the most very vulnerable. But the staggering figure Whitty gave in relation to a surge under a rushed unlocking of restrictions does not fit that bill. It suggests a greater failure rate for the vaccines amongst the vulnerable than has hitherto been suggested.

As said from the outset on Vallance and Whitty: quacks and witchdoctors.

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[COYBL25]

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This thread has not been kind to him.

 

[Goat]

This thread has not been kind to him.

With Dave, there is always a contradiction.

 

[tsubaki]

But you keep blaming the wrong people and excusing the EU. They screwed up. Now they want to blame anyone except themselves. They were not naive, they were the slow, ponderous bully trying to get a good deal and continued to negotiate prices while the U.K. facilities were built and starting production runs. They just cannot admit it. Unfortunately you are now making the excuses for them and attempting to blame the USA and U.K. .Even now they are making a pigs ear of it by suggesting that the USA is effectively imposing an export ban, then going to them cap in hand asking for any spare vaccines. Not being polite of course, oh no, first attack them, then demand vaccines. These people in the EU, all second raters to a man and woman, are a waste of space.....

if only little englander nonsense was a cure for this disease

 

[peteblue]

if only little englander nonsense was a cure for this disease

If only we’d spent all our money on track and trace.....

 

[Goat]

if only little englander nonsense was a cure for this disease

To be fair, I do find it hard to disagree with Petes post.

 

[COYBL25]

With Dave, there is always a contradiction.

This thread is going to provide gold in years to come.

 

[tsubaki]

If only we’d spent all our money on track and trace.....

yes pete, we'd have tens of thousands fewer dead countrymen and women and would have sustained billions of pounds less economic damage

though strictly speaking, that should be if only we'd spent all our money on track and trace properly - we have, after all, spent £37 billion on a system only to see one of its most vital leaders express surprise that people get sick in the winter

 

[Goat]

This thread is going to provide gold in years to come.

I think I spent the first 2 months of last year laughing at everybody's concern and saying it was no worse than the flu.

So yeah, hopefully, once it's over we can burn the thread.

In my defence, I did learn from my mistake.

 

[peteblue]

yes pete, we'd have tens of thousands fewer dead countrymen and women and would have sustained billions of pounds less economic damage

though strictly speaking, that should be if only we'd spent all our money on track and trace properly - we have, after all, spent £37 billion on a system only to see one of its most vital leaders express surprise that people get sick in the winter

You've been banging the drum to do track and trace while disparaging the strategy of 12 week gap and the importance of the first jab. Now people are saying that track and trace has had virtually no effect while the vaccine strategy has been spot on.....I’m afraid merely now adding the word ’properly’ doesn’t really cut it......

 

[tsubaki]

To be fair, I do find it hard to disagree with Petes post.

Which is the problem with little englander nonsense nowadays; it sounds reasonable but doesn't really bear up to scrutiny.

For a start, there is the Pfizer vaccine (for which the early production came from the EU, and quite a lot of it still does), so it isn't a matter of the EU fiddling whilst plucky Brits surged ahead with test-tubes and teat pipettes in hand. Secondly, the Oxford / AZ vaccine was created with British government assistance, so it was always going to be in production earlier than the EU could ever have got it up and running even if they'd rushed ahead. As for the second-raters, I am not sure our leadership qualifies even as a rate - they are the political equivalent of leaky rowing boats.

 

[peteblue]

This thread is going to provide gold in years to come.

Unless the Chinese get us with the next one....

 

[Goat]

Which is the problem with little englander nonsense nowadays; it sounds reasonable but doesn't really bear up to scrutiny.

For a start, there is the Pfizer vaccine (for which the early production came from the EU, and quite a lot of it still does), so it isn't a matter of the EU fiddling whilst plucky Brits surged ahead with test-tubes and teat pipettes in hand. Secondly, the Oxford / AZ vaccine was created with British government assistance, so it was always going to be in production earlier than the EU could ever have got it up and running even if they'd rushed ahead. As for the second-raters, I am not sure our leadership qualifies even as a rate - they are the political equivalent of leaky rowing boats.

Im no brexiter, I do get a bit little Englander tho, I just think the EU have been a bit bellendish recently.

But the Death Cult got "lucky" with the Oxford vaccine, its certainly saved their skins.

 

[tsubaki]

You've been banging the drum to do track and trace while disparaging the strategy of 12 week gap and the importance of the first jab. Now people are saying that track and trace has had virtually no effect while the vaccine strategy has been spot on.....I’m afraid merely now adding the word ’properly’ doesn’t really cut it......

Well, no. I have been banging the drum about proper track and trace (which is vital) whilst disparaging the strategy of the twelve week gap for Pfizer, because it had no evidence to back it up as to whether it would work. It still doesn't have evidence to back it up, at least as far as I can see, and there appears to be at least anecdotal evidence that the government isn't sticking to it (three people I know who've had the first jab are getting the second 6-7 weeks afterwards).

As for "track and trace has had virtually no effect" - that is why properly is so important there, pete. The government you support, which came up with that system, has spent billions on it. I thought you were pretending to be arsed where taxpayers money went?