Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

Im no brexiter, I do get a bit little Englander tho, I just think the EU have been a bit bellendish recently.

But the Death Cult got "lucky" with the Oxford vaccine, its certainly saved their skins.

TBH I think where they got lucky was that the NHS was still capable of doing something like this - which is after all where an organization of its type excels at doing. Provided you put any effective vaccine into it and delivered it properly, it would have done pretty much what its done - though obviously Oxford's work has helped a lot in terms of security of supply.

 

[peteblue]

Which is the problem with little englander nonsense nowadays; it sounds reasonable but doesn't really bear up to scrutiny.

For a start, there is the Pfizer vaccine (for which the early production came from the EU, and quite a lot of it still does), so it isn't a matter of the EU fiddling whilst plucky Brits surged ahead with test-tubes and teat pipettes in hand. Secondly, the Oxford / AZ vaccine was created with British government assistance, so it was always going to be in production earlier than the EU could ever have got it up and running even if they'd rushed ahead. As for the second-raters, I am not sure our leadership qualifies even as a rate - they are the political equivalent of leaky rowing boats.

Hahaha.....They screwed up. The French insisted that a French solution should be a major part of their vaccines and it didn’t even work. Yes the Pfizer vaccine comes from the EU, and who Authorised its use and gave the first vaccines. They were late ordering, late approving, then slagged off the AZ even though the EMA approved it and every country came up with their own interpretation, then cried and threatened to sue then got shown up when the contracts were published, we now even have a situation where a French company has a vaccine going through but it will be manufactured in the U.K. because we got in first. It’s like an episode of Mr Bean and you are defending it ...Why ?....

 

[Goat]

TBH I think where they got lucky was that the NHS was still capable of doing something like this - which is after all where an organization of its type excels at doing. Provided you put any effective vaccine into it and delivered it properly, it would have done pretty much what its done - though obviously Oxford's work has helped a lot in terms of security of supply.

And I agree, I said a few weeks back that thank God the NHS is in charge of vaccines.

 

[peteblue]

Well, no. I have been banging the drum about proper track and trace (which is vital) whilst disparaging the strategy of the twelve week gap for Pfizer, because it had no evidence to back it up as to whether it would work. It still doesn't have evidence to back it up, at least as far as I can see, and there appears to be at least anecdotal evidence that the government isn't sticking to it (three people I know who've had the first jab are getting the second 6-7 weeks afterwards).

As for "track and trace has had virtually no effect" - that is why properly is so important there, pete. The government you support, which came up with that system, has spent billions on it. I thought you were pretending to be arsed where taxpayers money went?

My concern is keeping my family alive, I don’t give a crap about the cost .....

 

[tsubaki]

Hahaha.....They screwed up. The French insisted that a French solution should be a major part of their vaccines and it didn’t even work. Yes the Pfizer vaccine comes from the EU, and who Authorised its use and gave the first vaccines. They were late ordering, late approving, then slagged off the AZ even though the EMA approved it and every country came up with their own interpretation, then cried and threatened to sue then got shown up when the contracts were published, we now even have a situation where a French company has a vaccine going through but it will be manufactured in the U.K. because we got in first. It’s like an episode of Mr Bean and you are defending it ...Why ?....

I am not defending it pete, I am just pointing out where you are banging your drum again (as you of course are here, too).

Since you mention it though, what was the outcome of the EU threatening to sue - an extra nine million doses over what AZ had said a week before was their best effort, wasn't it?

 

[Wizard]

Well, no. I have been banging the drum about proper track and trace (which is vital) whilst disparaging the strategy of the twelve week gap for Pfizer, because it had no evidence to back it up as to whether it would work. It still doesn't have evidence to back it up, at least as far as I can see, and there appears to be at least anecdotal evidence that the government isn't sticking to it (three people I know who've had the first jab are getting the second 6-7 weeks afterwards).

As for "track and trace has had virtually no effect" - that is why properly is so important there, pete. The government you support, which came up with that system, has spent billions on it. I thought you were pretending to be arsed where taxpayers money went?

No change here, it was always that you would get the second dose within 12 weeks of receiving the first.

Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine authorised by UK medicines regulator

Government update on the Oxford University/AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.

www.gov.uk

 

[tsubaki]

No change here, it was always that you would get the second dose within 12 weeks of receiving the first.

Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine authorised by UK medicines regulator

Government update on the Oxford University/AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.

www.gov.uk

"whilst disparaging the strategy of the twelve week gap for Pfizer"

 

[Wizard]

"whilst disparaging the strategy of the twelve week gap for Pfizer"

Eh? Just pointing out the strategy hasn't changed since they moved to the 12 week gap. You said there was evidence they weren't sticking to it

 

[tsubaki]

Eh? Just pointing out the strategy hasn't changed since they moved to the 12 week gap. You said there was evidence they weren't sticking to it

for Pfizer - the Pfizer vaccine, which was authorised with a gap of 21 days between the doses

Covid-19: Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine judged safe for use in UK

The UK is the first country to approve the Pfizer vaccine - with 800,000 doses due to arrive soon.

www.bbc.co.uk

not AZ

 

[peteblue]

I am not defending it pete, I am just pointing out where you are banging your drum again (as you of course are here, too).

Since you mention it though, what was the outcome of the EU threatening to sue - an extra nine million doses over what AZ had said a week before was their best effort, wasn't it?

You‘re just trying to bang a drum for the Eu. AZ did just as the contract said...best endeavours.....

 

[tsubaki]

You‘re just trying to bang a drum for the Eu. AZ did just as the contract said...best endeavours.....

"best endeavours" = nine million doses less than it is a week later?

 

[Wizard]

for Pfizer - the Pfizer vaccine, which was authorised with a gap of 21 days between the doses

Covid-19: Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine judged safe for use in UK

The UK is the first country to approve the Pfizer vaccine - with 800,000 doses due to arrive soon.

www.bbc.co.uk

not AZ

When they moved to the 12 week gap it was for both vaccines, that they would be given within 12 weeks. You said there was evidence the government isn't sticking to their strategy as people you know got it in 6-7 weeks.

I am pointing out that this isn't a change in strategy, the government is sticking to what it said it would do at the end of December.

 

[peteblue]

"best endeavours" = nine million doses less than it is a week later?

My guess is that Boris gave up some to stop all the whinging and crying, either that or they gave their best endeavour.....your choice, but they didn’t just miraculously appear out of thin air, unless AZ and VDL told porkies....

 

[tsubaki]

When they moved to the 12 week gap it was for both vaccines, that they would be given within 12 weeks. You said there was evidence the government isn't sticking to their strategy as people you know got it in 6-7 weeks.

I am pointing out that this isn't a change in strategy, the government is sticking to what it said it would do at the end of December.

Well no - the whole rationale for that policy was to give as many people the first dose as possible, so to say they were aiming to do it for 22 days - 12 weeks is to give "within twelve weeks" rather more significance in that sentence than it deserves.

12 weeks was the maximum but the implication of why they put it back seems clearly to be that people would expect to get their second dose close to the 12 week point (given you'd have more first doses done by that point than you would at any earlier point).

 

[tsubaki]

My guess is that Boris gave up some to stop all the whinging and crying, either that or they gave their best endeavour.....your choice, but they didn’t just miraculously appear out of thin air, unless AZ and VDL told porkies....

Yes, I do think AZ told porkies. Sorry for repeating myself but I do think they've overpromised on this - probably on most of their contracts.