Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Neiler]

Some good news, looks like T-Cells, the other arm of our immune system after antibodies, might react and offer some protection to the current variants meaning people may have a good chance of not becoming seriously ill after vaccination.

 

[davek]

It’s that fine line between genius and madness mate.

It will either be we took a big educated risk and it paid off Vs World beating scientific decision making.

Both things might be true.

The good thing is it seems really positive for the UK at the moment, the data is beginning to support the one dose protection in the sort term, all eyes on dose 2 of the MRNA’s at 12 weeks.

Yes. And that's the nub of it.

Who knows, it may well be the story of the tortoise and the hare. We really are in uncharted territory. Let's not forget the original plan based on the trials was to separate jabs out by 3 weeks.

The crowing needs to be shelved.

 

[toffee82]

Remember when he was acting the Billy Big with Trump like the spotty teen trying to impress his birds dad.

Embarassing.

His birds Dad must be in triple figures.

 

[Neiler]

Yes. And that's the nub of it.

Who knows, it may well be the story of the tortoise and the hare. We really are in uncharted territory. Let's not forget the original plan based on the trials was to separate jabs out by 3 weeks.

The crowing needs to be shelved.

Definitely a lot still to weighed and measured mate.

I said it a couple of months back mate, Europe and the UK will have more then enough vaccinations to go around, they should be sending them to the third world. The vaccination roll out is a marathon, definitely not a sprint, will have a few twists and turns yet.

We should all be rooting for each other really. This virus just gets reseeded and evolves in a country unless it’s suppressed in regions and globally. Thinking about suppression nationally is just silly to be honest in the bigger scheme, as we have seen throughout this and recently with variants. Although micro national robust public health measures help with national impact, from a long term macro point of view, you can forget about it doing more then just phases of trying to suppress in any local outbreak, especially in Europe were we are so interconnected.

Europe will be awash quite shortly and it’s going to turbo boost from late March to May for a few different reasons. I’m actually coming to the conclusion you are better off getting vaccinated in the summer if this goes onto be an annual vaccine, will see you through the winter, when my Jan jab might be running on dirty diesel by then!

 

[davek]

Definitely a lot still to weighed and measured mate.

I said it a couple of months back mate, Europe and the UK will have more then enough vaccinations to go around, they should be sending them to the third world. The vaccination roll out is marathon, definitely not a sprint, will have a few twists and turns yet.

Europe will be awash quite shortly and it’s going to turbo boost from late March to May for a few different reasons. I’m actually coming to the conclusion you are better off getting vaccinated in the summer if this goes onto be an annual vaccine, will see you through the winter, when my Jan jab might be running on dirty diesel by then!

I'll be getting mine next month with the second no doubt in July. I'm hoping the vaccine will see me through next winter. If it's the AZ one I'm hopiing it'll get me to August.

 

[Neiler]

I'll be getting mine next month with the second no doubt in July. I'm hoping the vaccine will see me through next winter. If it's the AZ one I'm hopiing it'll get me to August.

Ha ha. Good stuff mate, good to hear. It should do for the winter. The first dose is the initial shield but not long lasting, the second is the long term protection.

AZ is grand mate. In a way you are probably better of getting AZ, as at least you know the outcome after round 2 as opposed to the 12 week gap of the MRNA’s.

 

[davek]

Ha ha. Good stuff mate, good to hear. It should do for the winter. The first dose is the initial shield but not long lasting, the second is the long term protection.

AZ is grand mate. In a way you are probably better of getting AZ, as at least you know the outcome after round 2 as opposed to the 12 week gap of the MRNA’s.

It'll probably tear my arm off...after me calling it gnats piss for ages.

 

[Neiler]

It'll probably tear my arm off...after me calling it gnats piss for ages.

Have a funny image of you in my head, banging away on the key board ripping AZ out of it on here.......with an arm full of it!

 

[davek]

Have a funny image of you in my head, banging away on the key board ripping AZ out of it on here.......with an arm full of it!

Bill Gates programming me to type nice things about Marcel Brands and Moshiri.

Watch for the change in April.

 

[Neiler]

Bill Gates programming me to type nice things about Marcel Brands and Moshiri.

Watch for the change in April.

Bill Gates is your best outcome mate, @peteblue has you now!

Have your Union Jack undies washed and pressed!

 

[peteblue]

It'll probably tear my arm off...after me calling it gnats piss for ages.

It’ll turn you into a Tory supporter. Within a month you’ll be sporting a Boris haircut......

 

[peteblue]

Could have been appraoched better by Macron. That said, these countries have regulatirs and they made the decision on the AZ vaccine for older age groups given the absence of compelling evidence that could have settled the matter: gnats piss or efficacious vaccine. They waited for the UK government to use millions of the British people as guinea pigs first before concluding it would be ok.

The EMA work and take input from every country in the EU in making a decision. The individual countries that followed Germany’s lead all come up with differing age ranges and reasons. They screwed up......

 

[BlueStevie35]

Furlough extended until September. Surely an indication that they have doubts on this completely open by June timeline?

The first lockdown they extended the scheme even though non essential businesses reopened in June, same again with the shorter lockdown in mid November. Its basically a protection if certain businesses are unable to open by the summer

 

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[Chris O'Connor]

Believe it or not AZ has been a problem for many EU countries and they have been caught with their pants down.

The nature of the EU deal is that everyone is entitled to buy an equal share of vaccines depending on their population. Each country had/have many multiples of their populations vaccines bought.

However not all countries ordered the same vaccines. For example many countries decided to buy large quantities of AZ as it was cheaper and declined to take up their full allocation of the more expensive MRNA‘S. These countries having difficulty at the mo are the ones who backed AZ to heavily, not that AZ isn’t a decent vaccine they just bet to heavily on the one horse and the horse can’t meet the demand at the mo. Countries are entitled to buy extra vaccines if they wish, outside their EU collective, if they can, that’s a private matter for the country, Germany and France both have, Ireland have made orders of 8 mill for vaccines for next winter.

The vaccine race is a long one, I’d be cautious at making judgements at the moment on success and failure just yet, probably just the end of the beginning and could be a few important variables that could see the grid change.

France are amongst the countries were the vaccine take up has been extremely slow amidst public scepticism fuelled by inappropriate and badly timed comments from its electioneering and populist leader. He's the one who has enthusiastically backed the attack on Astra Zeneca vaccine and been all too ready to publicise any negatives he can.