Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Bruce Wayne]

AZ I think was always the roaring hot favourate mate, a lot of the basis of their vaccine was already being developed for something else before Covid and they amended it for Covid, so they had a head start. I was surprised Pfizer and Moderna broke first, I think AZ were to and they rushed to the finish line. To be honest their data, trials and research were messy. To be honest in good conchense they’ve done really well to regulation at all, they wouldn’t usually. They haven’t chanced it in the US and won’t until the data is stronger.

The deals are different as well, the UK signed away the right to take legal recourse from any adverse effect of vaccines, if anyone has an adverse effect in years to come, they can’t hold the drug company culpable. You can in the EU.

I think alll these things helped the UK do things very quickly, I think things will level up in March and think the EU will get ahead in April onward for a few reasons.

Lads will have different opinions, the decisions the UK made were fool heartedly genius I think you could apply both depending on your point of view, they great thing is, it all seems like it’s going really well and any risks or breaking ranks have paid off, thankfully!

Yes, it's impossible to dispute that things do seem to be working out well thus far, and the incredibly strong genomics "industry" here is really helping in rapidly sequencing the various variants, which is proving to be incredibly useful. Even the oft. derided Imperial scientists have been incredibly good.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I would be interested to see

"My main issue is that these small bits of graffiti or burning of a flag will be blown out of all proportion when I don't really think they are that much of an issue or will cause any lasting problems."

Having no issue in the vandalising of a memorial in memory of thousands of dead folk.

And you have the brass neck to call others extremist lol

 

[dead_soft]

"My main issue is that these small bits of graffiti or burning of a flag will be blown out of all proportion when I don't really think they are that much of an issue or will cause any lasting problems."

Having no issue in the vandalising of a memorial in memory of thousands of dead folk.

And you have the brass neck to call others extremist lol

Seems a bit of a stretch doesn’t it? Saying something isn’t that big a deal is very much not defending it.

 

[tsubaki]

"My main issue is that these small bits of graffiti or burning of a flag will be blown out of all proportion when I don't really think they are that much of an issue or will cause any lasting problems."

Having no issue in the vandalising of a memorial in memory of thousands of dead folk.

And you have the brass neck to call others extremist lol

you forget how easily offended some folk are

 

[Neiler]

Yes, it's impossible to dispute that things do seem to be working out well thus far, and the incredibly strong genomics "industry" here is really helping in rapidly sequencing the various variants, which is proving to be incredibly useful. Even the oft. derided Imperial scientists have been incredibly good.

It is fascinating mate, I’d really love to learn why the UK decided to go the way they did, by that I mean what was the evidence and why did everyone else go a different way, I would have gone with the mainstream myself - there is still a bit of skin in the game to see how it all works out, but it could be inspired by the UK and if so you want to take those lessons. Certainly reasons for hope with the data emerging.

 

[Billy Dean]

It is fascinating mate, I’d really love to learn why the UK decided to go the way they did, by that I mean what was the evidence and why did everyone else go a different way, I would have gone with the mainstream myself - there is still a bit of skin in the game to see how it all works out, but it could be inspired by the UK and if so you want to take those lessons. Certainly reasons for hope with the data emerging.

Is it known whose idea it was in the UK? Someone in the medical field or a politician?

 

[davek]

I‘m sure that @davek will agree with me that Macron should be prosecuted for murdering people through his inappropriate political intervention ..........

Could have been appraoched better by Macron. That said, these countries have regulatirs and they made the decision on the AZ vaccine for older age groups given the absence of compelling evidence that could have settled the matter: gnats piss or efficacious vaccine. They waited for the UK government to use millions of the British people as guinea pigs first before concluding it would be ok.

 

[tsubaki]

It is fascinating mate, I’d really love to learn why the UK decided to go the way they did, by that I mean what was the evidence and why did everyone else go a different way, I would have gone with the mainstream myself - there is still a bit of skin in the game to see how it all works out, but it could be inspired by the UK and if so you want to take those lessons. Certainly reasons for hope with the data emerging.

TBF the only way that decision makes any sense is if its a political one - not so much in terms of reaping political rewards (though there have been some), but in terms of running a risk like that and why they'd feel the need to do it.

 

[davek]

It is fascinating mate, I’d really love to learn why the UK decided to go the way they did, by that I mean what was the evidence and why did everyone else go a different way, I would have gone with the mainstream myself - there is still a bit of skin in the game to see how it all works out, but it could be inspired by the UK and if so you want to take those lessons. Certainly reasons for hope with the data emerging.

It's simple: suck it and see.

Johnson's herd immunity "just shake hands with a covid19 patient and get it over with" strategy was in the same vein: a complete swing and a miss.

Other times you hit a home run - as per the decision to go with a single jab strategy and use vaccines unproven in trials on certain age groups and go with the hypothesis that it'll be alright on the night.

Nothing more complex to it than that.

This is a government of chancers leading a population of sheep.

 

[Neiler]

Is it known whose idea it was in the UK? Someone in the medical field or a politician?

The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation mate. It’s mostly made up of Doctors and scientists. I imagine they advice the Goverment and reach a consensus on public health policy.

I’m not sure the approach has been vindicated just yet, we always knew one dose offers some protection, it’s the second dose that offers increased and long lasting protection. We know AZ will be fine, we still don’t know with the MRNA’s and that the one we have our eyes on. But anecdotally it’s great seeing the UK numbers come down, you could draw the conclusion that the decision is doing exactly what it intended, but anecdotely cases are falling naturally over Europe any way as a trend. To be fair though, the fall has been so distinct I personally believe the vaccine roll out has turbo boosted the UK.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Seems a bit of a stretch doesn’t it? Saying something isn’t that big a deal is very much not defending it.

Would you have the same opinion of "its only a bit of vandalism" if it was say the holocaust memorial by some far right idiot?

I imagine not therefore your political beliefs cloud your morals hence I find it ironic when you call others opinions "extremist".

Anyways sorry lads off topic

 

[grandjoeblue]

Furlough extended until September. Surely an indication that they have doubts on this completely open by June timeline?

 

[Neiler]

It's simple: suck it and see.

Johnson's herd immunity "just shake hands with a covid19 patient and get it over with" strategy was in the same vein: a complete swing and a miss.

Other times you hit a home run - as per the decision to go with a single jab strategy and use vaccines unproven in trials on certain age groups and go with the hypothesis that it'll be alright on the night.

Nothing more complex to it than that.

This is a government of chancers leading a population of sheep.

It’s that fine line between genius and madness mate.

It will either be we took a big educated risk and it paid off Vs World beating scientific decision making.

Both things might be true.

The good thing is it seems really positive for the UK at the moment, the data is beginning to support the one dose protection in the sort term, all eyes on dose 2 of the MRNA’s at 12 weeks.

 

[jinkyali]

Furlough extended until September. Surely an indication that they have doubts on this completely open by June timeline?

Its extended but flexing down from June

 

[Charro]

Furlough extended until September. Surely an indication that they have doubts on this completely open by June timeline?

A lot of places will be a limited capacity so it allows for places to phase staff back in whilst they slowly re-open.

It’s a good move.