Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Spoke to my sister yesterday, she has lived in Germany for nearly 40 years. (Wolfgang, her husband, is one of the nicest guys you could meet. His name just does not suit him!) They haven't had their vaccinations yet but will have them when available. She said that the media over there is full of the view that the the vaccines don't work properly and doesn't give much protection, which is why many over there are refusing the jabs.
 
Blueclouds said:
Why are they refusing it
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I don't think it'll be the only reason, but Germany decided to go against the EMA's licence and have elected not to use the AZ jab on people 65 and over, because of a lack of evidence of the efficacy in that age range (that's because only a small percentage - 8% IIRC - of the initial study was done on people over that age). It's fair enough, though there was all the uproar over the false headlines in the German media last month when there was the massive rift with AZ. That probably hasn't helped.

Maybe people are seeing that they won't offer it to over 65s so thinking it's not good enough for them, but the issue is, it has always been proved to be perfectly effective for people under 65, even from the initial studies, so they should be taking it. Just like somebody over here should be taking whatever vaccine they get offered.

Now, to add into all of this, there's added studies that they've been doing on volunteers in the older age groups, and now the real-world evidence which is coming out in the UK right now (the three studies published yesterday) of it working perfectly well in older groups, specifically the over 80s.
 
Methuselah said:
Spoke to my sister yesterday, she has lived in Germany for nearly 40 years. (Wolfgang, her husband, is one of the nicest guys you could meet. His name just does not suit him!) They haven't had their vaccinations yet but will have them when available. She said that the media over there is full of the view that the the vaccines don't work properly and doesn't give much protection, which is why many over there are refusing the jabs.
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I think the decision of the government to ban using it on over 65s, while understandable, will have helped fuel the fire.

I don't agree with the decision but I see why, on the lack of testing evidence at the time they made the call, they chose to do it. But it probably will have factored into any media frenzy then, too.
 
Brennan said:
Because it gives people hope, and something to look forward to. It also gives businesses an ability to plan for the future.

You really need to stop viewing everything the government does in such a biased way. There’s nothing wrong with giving a plan to the public based on tests being met.
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Like I said yesterday, I had a proper spring - like, physically too - in my step after the news.

It's not to credit anyone really, it's just good to have an idea of what life might be able to look like if things go well. We all know it's a big if, as was stressed over and over again in the press conference.
 
BlueToff said:
Like I said yesterday, I had a proper spring - like, physically too - in my step after the news.

It's not to credit anyone really, it's just good to have an idea of what life might be able to look like if things go well. We all know it's a big if, as was stressed over and over again in the press conference.
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I don’t think people realise the massive complexity and cost that uncertainty can have on businesses large and small. It takes weeks and often months to get stock into the UK to sell to consumers, and without having a rough idea a couple of months ahead of time it’s nigh on impossible to run a supply chain effectively. You can’t just say “wait and see”.
 
BlueToff said:
I think the decision of the government to ban using it on over 65s, while understandable, will have helped fuel the fire.

I don't agree with the decision but I see why, on the lack of testing evidence at the time they made the call, they chose to do it. But it probably will have factored into any media frenzy then, too.
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It wasn’t understandable, it was a naked political move, and now it’s going to bite them on the arse......
 
peteblue said:
It wasn’t understandable, it was a naked political move, and now it’s going to bite them on the arse......
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Well... there was a smaller amount of evidence on that age group. So, I kind of - kind of - get it in that sense. But, like @Tubey said a lot at the time, the efficacy was never going to drop off a cliff, and the EMA had licenced it for all ages.
 
BlueToff said:
I don't think it'll be the only reason, but Germany decided to go against the EMA's licence and have elected not to use the AZ jab on people 65 and over, because of a lack of evidence of the efficacy in that age range (that's because only a small percentage - 8% IIRC - of the initial study was done on people over that age). It's fair enough, though there was all the uproar over the false headlines in the German media last month when there was the massive rift with AZ. That probably hasn't helped.

Maybe people are seeing that they won't offer it to over 65s so thinking it's not good enough for them, but the issue is, it has always been proved to be perfectly effective for people under 65, even from the initial studies, so they should be taking it. Just like somebody over here should be taking whatever vaccine they get offered.

Now, to add into all of this, there's added studies that they've been doing on volunteers in the older age groups, and now the real-world evidence which is coming out in the UK right now (the three studies published yesterday) of it working perfectly well in older groups, specifically the over 80s.
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Just watching an interview with a doctor on Germany saying that the AZ is very effective in the older people.
 
BlueToff said:
Well... there was a smaller amount of evidence on that age group. So, I kind of - kind of - get it in that sense. But, like @Tubey said a lot at the time, the efficacy was never going to drop off a cliff, and the EMA had licenced it for all ages.
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We had the MHRA, EMA and WHO all saying it was fine. Germany wanted the expensive Pfizer vaccine used in the EU for commercial reasons, just as France wanted their own vaccine but couldn’t get it to work. Two political actions have undermined the populations within the Eu to taking the AZ vaccine and I hope both political leaders end up getting nailed because of it...absolutely disgraceful ......
 
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