Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

Which lies would you like him to call out. The number of vaccines given or the fall in Covid numbers. Or do you know of something else.....

probably @anxiouswarrior does know of other lies that Johnson has come up with, pete

I mean we all do, you especially

 

[jinkyali]

probably its because that group forms the bulk of the group that has had two doses

Or...
One dose impacts?

 

[tsubaki]

"We were betting on this before we knew the clinical outcomes. In some sense, that's a nonsensical approach."

The entire vaccination programme - world wide - has been a risk. We had to take a risk, and because of the UK's failures, they had to take a calculated risk with the vaccine roll out.

So far, with Pfizer, because that's all there can be any issues with, there's no evidence that it's not worked.

There probably won't be, yet - its only between six and seven weeks since the decision was made to stretch the doses. If it doesn't work, its going to be mid-to-late March onwards before it becomes apparent.

 

[tsubaki]

Or...
One dose impacts?

probably not - because if it was one dose impacts you'd see the same sort of results with the groups that have only had one dose (though of course there is going to be a bit of a lag as the 80+ group will have had the vaccine before the younger age groups)

 

[toffee82]

probably not - because if it was one dose impacts you'd see the same sort of results with the groups that have only had one dose (though of course there is going to be a bit of a lag as the 80+ group will have had the vaccine before the younger age groups)

Official UK Coronavirus Dashboard

GOV.UK Coronavirus dashboard

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

Only 539,630 have received their second dose so it probably is the effect of the first dose.

Bearing in mind the logistics of the Pfizer vaccine, a lot of these will be hospital staff.

 

[tsubaki]

Can you provide a link for that?

Is it majority over 80s that have had two doses or healthcare staff?

Its hard to say - the cohort that have had two doses seems to be (again the data isn't clear) those who had the Pfizer vaccine first (so those who received a first dose from mid-December to December 28th), which from the media reporting at least seem to have been the highest risk groups.

There have been some since but it hasn't gone up that much, at least compared to first jabs (10th Jan was just under 400,000 with 2 million first jabs, as of yesterday its 539,000 with 15 million first jabs).

Official UK Coronavirus Dashboard

GOV.UK Coronavirus dashboard

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

 

[peteblue]

probably @anxiouswarrior does know of other lies that Johnson has come up with, pete

I mean we all do, you especially

But this is the Coronavirus thread. I can’t think of a single lie in this respect, can you ?.....

 

[jinkyali]

probably not - because if it was one dose impacts you'd see the same sort of results with the groups that have only had one dose (though of course there is going to be a bit of a lag as the 80+ group will have had the vaccine before the younger age groups)

Would you?

How about the fact cases are dropping at a rate of 3 percent per day across the board?

Of the 500k 2nd doses, only 335k of them are 80 plus. Would that number really contribute to such a decrease in rate for that age group?

 

[tsubaki]

But this is the Coronavirus thread. I can’t think of a single lie in this respect, can you ?.....

I can think of loads, pete. Do you remember his claiming we'd reached the target of tests done reached per day?

That was met by counting tests sent in the post as done. Then there is his saying we'd have a world-beating test, track and trace system up and running by June 1st ......... though in his defence he never said what year.

 

[toffee82]

Its hard to say - the cohort that have had two doses seems to be (again the data isn't clear) those who had the Pfizer vaccine first (so those who received a first dose from mid-December to December 28th), which from the media reporting at least seem to have been the highest risk groups.

There have been some since but it hasn't gone up that much, at least compared to first jabs (10th Jan was just under 400,000 with 2 million first jabs, as of yesterday its 539,000 with 15 million first jabs).

Official UK Coronavirus Dashboard

GOV.UK Coronavirus dashboard

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

I think it would be helpful if we had more information on how many of each vaccine has been given.

I'm sceptical of our government, but I have more faith in our medical community. I assume that they are monitoring the distribution of different vaccines as an ongoing study.

 

[tsubaki]

Would you?

How about the fact cases are dropping at a rate of 3 percent per day across the board?

Of the 500k 2nd doses, only 335k of them are 80 plus. Would that number really contribute to such a decrease in rate for that age group?

Is the rate for 80+ higher or lower than the rest? Remember we know the Pfizer vaccine provides at least three weeks of protection, possibly at a stretch up to six weeks. What we do not know is what happens after that.

 

[BlueToff]

There probably won't be, yet - its only between six and seven weeks since the decision was made to stretch the doses. If it doesn't work, its going to be mid-to-late March onwards before it becomes apparent.

It was made immediately though that people stopped getting their second jabs (by and large).

If there was a significant drop off in the Pfizer vaccine's efficacy, we'd start seeing it around about now in certain categories - especially since those ones done early were 80+/extremely vulnerable/NHS frontline workers.

Let's hope we don't see anything. Current state of lockdown should help with that.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

the tory filth can never be trusted/ 11 years of austerity and these vermin would still lie , 6 out of ten have been disabled that die thats tory eugenics inaction

 

[tsubaki]

It was made immediately though that people stopped getting their second jabs (by and large).

If there was a significant drop off in the Pfizer vaccine's efficacy, we'd start seeing it around about now in certain categories - especially since those ones done early were 80+/extremely vulnerable/NHS frontline workers.

Let's hope we don't see anything. Current state of lockdown should help with that.

I am not sure they did - IIRC if you had a second dose appointment booked prior to December 28th, you got the vaccine as planned on that date (given the difficulty of rearranging that many appointments).

 

[anxiouswarrior]

the reality is never trust the tory filth and their cheerleader , the brutal truth is that
, the the poor , the disabled the ethic minorities will suffer the most . that id the and always has been the tory way