Yes but your argument is those countries are back to normal. They're not.
They simply haven't made the mistakes we did.
They will rely heavily on the vaccination programme as will the UK.
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Yes but your argument is those countries are back to normal. They're not.
They simply haven't made the mistakes we did.
They will rely heavily on the vaccination programme as will the UK.
tsubaki
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er - the data shows clear success in doing what the manufacturer said, though?
As for the “data not ideology” thing, that’s a bizarre statement for someone whose argued what you have overnight to make.
*All* the data points to the superiority of effective containment as a policy, compared to a policy of accepting a % of casualties and trying to carry on.
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No - my argument is that they’ve handled this far better than we have, have imposed less restrictions than we have, have had less damage than we have and so we should really look at what they did and do the same sorts of things.
Yeah we don't know if the UKs policy regarding spacing will pay off yet for Pfizer, hence wanting data. Fair amount saying it does for AZ but still need more. 1-2 weeks away.
By ideology, I mean in terms of effectively ignoring the effect of the vaccine no matter what it does.
They did, but it is not 'normal'.
Containment and the vaccines is the answer.... but when you vaccinate, it becomes a lot easier to contain while also having normality back, and 'normality' is not banning all travellers/or enforcing 2-week quarantine (which is the right thing to do right now) or going into region-wide lockdowns.
So no, these countries are not 'back to normal'.
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How is letting it spread again because we believe most people won’t get a serious illness from it not an ideological standpoint?
We know what happens when this thing gets out of control. Why would anyone think that would be an acceptable state of affairs?
My mum got her vaccine a couple of days ago. It's another step forward and every step forward will get us back to where we want to be.
Again, you’re referring to a pre-vaccine world.
All of the science suggests that 70% uptake of the vaccine within the population will massively reduce serious illness and death from the virus.
So it will never get “out of control” in the way it has this year. It’s simply not possible.
I didn't say let it spread again. I said if it does, lockdown isn't the reaction needed if it isn't killing or even seriously making people ill, just like having flu seasons doesn't result in lockdowns.
Wanting lockdowns as a response is ideological, as it's borne from a panic to the pandemic as it exists now rather than logic if the vaccine works as it looks like it will.
Lockdowns are meant to be an emergency measure. Saying infection alone is justification for that emergency measure, regardless of severity, is ideological.
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Did that a long time ago, down to bottled beer now.....
First or second jab, mate?
The answer is YES.
Nail and head.
The reality is that underneath it all, what he really is advocating, is that Britain becomes by proxy an annex of his beloved CCP.
tsubaki
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That’s not the experience we have had with flu every year - yes, vaccinations will reduce deaths but even with that we still have 10000 deaths a year. That’s with a less deadly illness than this is.
Plus of course the vaccine only works on this virus; not what’s coming next. Asia learning from SARS and putting a working system in place helped them deal with this; why anyone wouldn’t want us to do the same sort of thing after what we’ve been through baffles me.
Just the first mate. No side affects either. So I know they are up to vaccinating the 65 and overs with no underlying health issues currently.
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