Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Goat]

When / if eveyone is vaccinated we'd be into another round of vaccines tweaked to combat variants. Itl's like painting the Forth Bridge.

There really is no scope to go back to mass attended events safely until this virus runs out of road.

This virus possibly wont ever run out of road.

We need to vaccinate and hopefully this will also make people take the flu jabs more seriously, I mean I've never had 1 before this year.

Once we vaccinate the majority of the country, well then I see no reason not to return to a sense of normality.

 

[BlueToff]

Then you dont solely blame China, do you? Given that umpteen countries have a culture that trades in wet markets all over that continent.

You know and I know what this is: a cold war attack. Pure and simple. And it's a problem because it maximises mistrust when we need global cooperation. Just stop doing it. Stop your own contribution to the poisoning of the well.

I never said I solely blame China. I blame them for their part in it. I don't see why the UK should have a massive cultural shift because of an illness which originated in China, though. I think the responses need to be better, I think that needs to be shifted - attitudes to track and trace etc. But that's not actually what you're advocating.

And what do you think you know about my life to say that I'm contributing to the spread of disease?

I stay at my house, I haven't been to see my mum and dad in 2 weeks, haven't seen my sister since the start of Jan – if we can't go to see her by July I'll miss my niece/nephew's first few days.

Haven't been to a pub or coffee shop or restaurant since October. Nothing around me has been open since the end of October anyway. Haven't been to a gym since last March. Literally doing everything I can to 'stop the spread'.

 

[BlueToff]

This virus possibly wont ever run out of road.

We need to vaccinate and hopefully this will also make people take the flu jabs more seriously, I mean I've never had 1 before this year.

Once we vaccinate the majority of the country, well then I see no reason not to return to a sense of normality.

That's the argument. If you don't do it then, you might as well never will.

The only factor I agree with Dave on is the timings of it. I don't think it should matter, but I believe they will bottle any big events etc in Autumn because it'll be going back into the winter and, as we know, respiratory illnesses thrive then.

But, if there's a breakthrough with the vaccines by then (as in, re-engineered to be given to those most vulnerable groups as a booster akin to the flu jab) then really, there'd be very little excuse.

 

[davek]

We often have 20,000 flu deaths per year so we might as well stay in perpetual lockdown even if we eradicate covid.

Well, there's been 2 flu pandemics in the second half of the 20th century killing over 2 million, so they need to be taken seriously.

Covid19 is a massive global crisis and it;s just a year with humanity. We have to understand it before we can move back to regular social contact safely again.

 

[BlueToff]

You dont manage it by holding mass attended events.

You can do so if you can do so safely.

Which, if it's done by the time literally the entire people who are clinically vulnerable to this are vaccinated (keep in mind that I know people my age (25/26) who are now getting their first jabs because they have bad asthma or a history of respiratory issues), and these events are managed outdoors in 40k stadiums with a max capacity of half, and everyone has to have a negative test to go (worked fine in December) and wear masks when going into the ground, I don't see why it'd be such a massive problem.

 

[davek]

Yet the great bunch of lads seem to keep holding big events, to showcase how they`ve beaten it ?

Stop beating down on the Chinese. WTF happened with you and them - did you get ripped off on amazon with an order from there? Let it go. It's only £15.

 

[BlueToff]

Yet the great bunch of lads seem to keep holding big events, to showcase how they`ve beaten it ?

Don't forget New Zealand and Australia... I mean, apart from the 5-day instant lockdowns like, they've got it normal out there.

No vaccines, like, just suppressed.

 

[davek]

This virus possibly wont ever run out of road.

We need to vaccinate and hopefully this will also make people take the flu jabs more seriously, I mean I've never had 1 before this year.

Once we vaccinate the majority of the country, well then I see no reason not to return to a sense of normality.

Too early. We need to provide a fire-break against this to gain understanding of it. The death toll will be Spanish Flu proportions if this thing is given the space to mutate away.

 

[sbbefc]

Well they are if they're clinically vulnerable.

They've decided to do it by age/vulnerability unless you're a frontline NHS worker haven't they.

I agree with you it'd be good to see teachers then get priority but the aim is to have everyone over 50 offered their first dose by late May and at this rate they're on target to beat that by nearly a month. But the rate of new vaccinations will likely slow down once more people start getting their second dose (that'll start up really around early March).

Obviously our healthcare workers should get it. But if the intention is to stop the spread surely we should be vaccinating supermarket workers and school teachers ASAP. These people are in contact with a lot more people than most. Should they not be priority before the 50-70 age group? It might be the case but I haven't heard of any talk of it.

 

[davek]

Don't forget New Zealand and Australia... I mean, apart from the 5-day instant lockdowns like, they've got it normal out there.

No vaccines, like, just suppressed.

Behaviour. Yes. That's how they did it. Vaccines are good; behavioural changes are better.

 

[davek]

You can do so if you can do so safely.

Which, if it's done by the time literally the entire people who are clinically vulnerable to this are vaccinated (keep in mind that I know people my age (25/26) who are now getting their first jabs because they have bad asthma or a history of respiratory issues), and these events are managed outdoors in 40k stadiums with a max capacity of half, and everyone has to have a negative test to go (worked fine in December) and wear masks when going into the ground, I don't see why it'd be such a massive problem.

As I said ealier: the vaccines cant do the heavy lifting you believe they can. It is down to changes in our behaviour + the vaccines. That will stop the mass death.

Just administering vaccines and cracking on with a normal life again will result in the rise of mutations that will destroy the ability of the vaccines to protect. You must surely see and accept that?

 

[BlueToff]

Obviously our healthcare workers should get it. But if the intention is to stop the spread surely we should be vaccinating supermarket workers and school teachers ASAP. These people are in contact with a lot more people than most. Should they not be priority before the 50-70 age group? It might be the case but I haven't heard of any talk of it.

I don't know. I think they're going off - outside of health workers - who is realistically most likely to get seriously ill from this if they get it.

 

[BlueToff]

As I said ealier: the vaccines cant do the heavy lifting you believe they can. It is down to changes in our behaviour + the vaccines. That will stop the mass death.

Just administering vaccines and cracking on with a normal life again will result in the rise of mutations that will destroy the ability of the vaccines to protect. You must surely see and accept that?

How is any of the above 'normal'?

It's a way of doing things which has an element of normality, without going back to full normality.

 

[davek]

I never said I solely blame China. I blame them for their part in it. I don't see why the UK should have a massive cultural shift because of an illness which originated in China, though. I think the responses need to be better, I think that needs to be shifted - attitudes to track and trace etc. But that's not actually what you're advocating.

And what do you think you know about my life to say that I'm contributing to the spread of disease?

I stay at my house, I haven't been to see my mum and dad in 2 weeks, haven't seen my sister since the start of Jan – if we can't go to see her by July I'll miss my niece/nephew's first few days.

Haven't been to a pub or coffee shop or restaurant since October. Nothing around me has been open since the end of October anyway. Haven't been to a gym since last March. Literally doing everything I can to 'stop the spread'.

You're inability to get beynd the source of the virus. It's not important now to constantly reiterate it was on Chinese soil. So what? Who cares? It was the process common to all south east Asian countries that created those conditions for the virus, not a regime.

 

[Goat]

Too early. We need to provide a fire-break against this to gain understanding of it. The death toll will be Spanish Flu proportions if this thing is given the space to mutate away.

Ive been fully onboard with lockdowns, but we simply cant and wont lockdown forever, people are at breaking point and there's only so far we can push them.

Thats the truth sadly Dave.