Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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paultheblue said:
Fine if people want to clap that's up to them but it cuts both ways , i for one will not be clapping as for me the whole thing has been hijacked by Boris And 6his gang as a sideshow to take the spotlight off themselves.

RIP Tom and condolences to his family
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See I don't think it was hijacked really. It was just a nice story of someone doing a great thing.

Yeah, RIP. I'm glad he lived out the last year of his life doing what he decided to do, too.
 
BlueToff said:
Why with you does everything have to be black and white? No middle ground. No shades of grey.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying that the UK and other nations such as France and Denmark should be following the guidance of Pfizer and going with 3 weeks of spacing.

There is also however nothing wrong with saying the logic - which has been explained by the CMOs - is reasoned in why they are extending or have extended the spacing. It is, as Whitty put it "a calculated risk" - but at this stage, the entire world is having to take a calculated risk or we'll be stuck in this cycle forever. People bang on about Aus and NZ's success - and it is success in dealing with this - but they are placing entire regions into quarantine for even one case. That is in no sense 'normality' and it is in no sense sustainable. Countries relying on Pfizer right now are taking a risk because they can't get as many doses to people as quickly as they'd like, so there's still going to be a risk of the virus spreading through the population, and continuing to mutate that way.

It is also fair to say that there has been plenty of warnings against the extended spacing on Pfizer. And it is also fair to say that so far, there is no evidence of it not working to the effect that those warnings claim.

People do care. They just can see things from different perspectives and don't automatically assume that people are evil or don't care, but are doing something to try and see if it's going to help us out of this quicker. It might backfire spectacularly, but so far it hasn't. Let's hope it doesn't and the risk pays off. Not because of some race to be first, but because it'd save lives and ultimately get the virus suppressed quicker because more people would have that initial protection from falling seriously ill from this, and that stops the NHS being overrun.

Ideally, if they're going to keep doing this for now, then I'd like to see, once we have the Moderna vaccines on order and the AZ continues to ramp up, and then J&J and Novavax (which there is 60m of secured) come along in a few months, the spacing reduced back down to less time. That would also coincide with the summer months and easing of restrictions so would definitely make sense.

But back to the initial point, people do care, they just understand reasons why sometimes, you have to take risks. If there is one country in the world that absolutely needed to take a risk to try and get vaccines out to as many people as possible, then it was the UK. There's no easy solution.
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Most people in reality given some of the percentage ranges would not cross a road again in their entire lives.

The UK should have never been anywhere near the death toll we have, given our supposed wealth and equality, nowhere near, no nuance about it.

Country after country is restricting AZ, the WHO have strongly critiqued our dosing on others.Thank you Mr Boris for hole you dug for all the virus dead in it, thank you for finally procuring the tools to allow the NHS to fill the hole. Thank you kind sirs..

And we are supposed to be good little Tories and accept what we are told. Not a chance, I value my life as much as I do others...
 
tsubaki said:
With respect, I think it’s fairly obvious that a load of people actually do not care.

Take this virus for example; we’ve had loads of prominent politicians, journalists and members of the commentariat repeatedly call for things that would kill large numbers of people. Cretinry’s Toby Young has spent the entire pandemic in one giant parade of offensive wrongness, including opposing the first lockdown because the cost was greater than old people were worth.

We see the same lack of concern into what decisions will actually do to people with Grenfell and it’s aftermath, with Windrush and with pretty much any multiple fatality disaster you can think of in British history.
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Okay, I take your point there, and we know what to expect from them. They're not good people.

However, I think anybody posting in here clearly cares enough to post in this thread and have a discussion.

Nil Satis is clearly left wing - I'm more left than right, but what p's me off so much about people who are generally like that is the complete insistence that everything is either A or B - my mate is exactly like that, so convinced he is of his righteousness. It's a massive failing of the last five years, since before Brexit. And unless that changes then nothing will change, people will just keep shouting in their social media echo chambers and that'll be that.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Most people in reality given some of the percentage ranges would not cross a road again in their entire lives.

The UK should have never been anywhere near the death toll we have, given our supposed wealth and equality, nowhere near, no nuance about it.

Country after country is restricting AZ, the WHO have strongly critiqued our dosing on others.Thank you Mr Boris for hole you dug for all the virus dead in it thank you for finally procuring the tools to allow the NHS to fill the hole.

And we are supposed to be good little Tories and accept what we are told. Not a chance, I value my life as much as I do others...
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I agree on the bit in bold.

The countries are reducing AZ because of a lack of initial testing in certain age groups, a decision taken in part from an ethical standpoint by Oxford University who wanted to limit the number of potentially vulnerable people tested because they didn't want people to die because of their studies. Also, it still wasn't a tiny figure. Now there is more testing being done, and the results are starting to be shown and the evidence is good, both for spacing and the efficacy. They will subsequently be peer-reviewed.
 
LinekersLegs said:
Reduction in flu rates is a silver lining
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If we do eradicate COVID, go back to normal, do we run the risk of becoming more poorly with boring old viruses we have not been exposed too. Similar to what happened to many first nation people the Europeans came in contact with... Suppose time will tell.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
If we do eradicate COVID, go back to normal, do we run the risk of becoming more poorly with boring old viruses we have not been exposed too. Similar to what happened to many first nation people the Europeans came in contact with... Suppose time will tell.
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Tbh I’d prefer to hope that the past few months has increased the use of some simple things like better hand hygiene , wearing masks and uptake in flu vaccine in the healthy 20-50 year olds and that might translate into a reduction in the deaths of kids/elderly of the seasonal flu in future years.
 
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